Originally posted by DarkCThe games came first, did they not? In the novels, Marines are omnipotent gods who can kill Covenent no problem, and the Covenent are morons who can only glass planets. Yeah, they contradict the games, and are utter shit.
No. The books are canon. What you don't realise is that Bungie had to tone down Chief's skills in the game as to have it more balanced.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
The games came first, did they not? In the novels, Marines are omnipotent gods who can kill Covenent no problem, and the Covenent are morons who can only glass planets. Yeah, they contradict the games, and are utter shit.
It's pretty clear you haven't read the books. Either that or you're terribly biased. I suggest you do your research.
Omnipotent gods? Moron Covenant?
Bullshit.
The books expand upon the games. Not the other way around.
Originally posted by devilsnake
scenario: Masterchief comes to earth at shadow mosses he sees snake and goes to kill him, but before he does snake uses his stealth and goes invisible then sneaks into metal gear and uses its laser and cuts master chief in half
And also assuming that he's too dumb to think of a counter.
Try again.
Originally posted by Decimus
I still do not understand why you do not even acknowledge snake as more than human. Snake is a super soldier of the highest order. I was being kind not to let the feats from the previous 2-d metal gears into this. He beats gray fox and big boss almost completely unarmed and being unequipped!!!!! I am being very, very fair by limiting both characters to see how they would interact with what we have seen ok. This despite what it is being portrayed as would be a very interesting fight and in no way shape or form could be considered close to spite from people who know each character backwards and forwards.
snake just gets lucky, many people can do what he does in real life when you own life is on the line.
put chief in Snake's world with/without his novel features he can easily bypass anything in the metal gear series put snake in the halo universe, well he would be lucky to make it to the flood and if he does he dies there
The Chief doesn't really use stealth (lulz) and when he does he rarely is able to get past hordes without notifying at least one grunt and would be killed in any true FPS other than Halo due to being big,slow, and very vulnerable to bullets. If the covenant attacked the Chief as any significant intelligent force he would be forced to use stealth at least 70 percent of the time. Snake would kill the mentally incompetent flood and the even more moronic covenant (horrible group A.I.) by simply sneaking around the entire game and assassinating their leaders (the grave minds and the prophets). Chief on the other hand would come guns blazing (or would fire eventually without a silencer)while power walking and would be killed by - you can take your pick: Ocelot , GreyFox (A.K.A:borg ninja),Sniper Wolf, Vulcana Raven, Psychomantis, Liquid or the army of genetically modified soldiers that patrolled the game. It is not smart to put the Master Chief in a game that has real super soldiers in it. And lets not leave out the cyborg ninjas...it is crucial to never forget the cyborg ninjas!!! 🥷
Originally posted by Decimus
The Chief doesn't really use stealth (lulz) and when he does he rarely is able to get past hordes without notifying at least one grunt and would be killed in any true FPS other than Halo due to being big,slow, and very vulnerable to bullets.
The Chief is much faster and stronger than a human (Snake) due to biogenetic enhancements, but by no means is he lacking in stealth. In the Ghosts of Onyx novel, even with his armor on he was able to sneak up on a guard and with the help of his armor, deceive some detection systems. In the time that the guard tosses a cigarette in the air and hits the ground, the Chief was able to lunge forward soundlessly, snap the guy's neck, and catch the body before the cigarette hits the ground.
You're making it sound like he's some ridiculous brute severely lacking in movement. Simply ridiculous. And prone to bullets? It takes about an entire clip from an armor-peircing assault rifle to bring down his shields.
Originally posted by Decimus
If the covenant attacked the Chief as any significant intelligent force he would be forced to use stealth at least 70 percent of the time.
Your argument there isn't just flawed, it's completely broken altogether.
Originally posted by Decimus
Snake would kill the mentally incompetent flood and the even more moronic covenant (horrible group A.I.) by simply sneaking around the entire game and assassinating their leaders (the grave minds and the prophets).
There are some areas where stealth won't work. I'd personally enjoy Snake trying to take on a full pack of battle-raging Brutes in close quarters combat in a cramped hallway.
Your knowledge of the Halo world is decidedly pathetic.
Originally posted by Decimus
Chief on the other hand would come guns blazing (or would fire eventually without a silencer)while power walking and would be killed by - you can take your pick: Ocelot , GreyFox (A.K.A:borg ninja),Sniper Wolf, Vulcana Raven, Psychomantis, Liquid or the army of genetically modified soldiers that patrolled the game.
If your argument consists solely of listing off characters from the Metal Gear Solid series who can outsmart some dimwitted Rambo-based armored character, I could technically claim a victory right here and now.
I'm sorry I had to take a piss on that Rice Krispies ego of yours, but you desperately need to do your research before shooting your mouth off like that.
Originally posted by Decimus
It is not smart to put the Master Chief in a game that has real super soldiers in it. And lets not leave out the cyborg ninjas...it is crucial to never forget the cyborg ninjas!!! 🥷
You just refuse to ignorantly believe it, or are so in love with Solid Snake it blinds you to the truth. He's outwitted special operations elites armed with active camouflage.
Normally I would not get involved with debates like this but...
Originally posted by Decimus
The Chief doesn't really use stealth (lulz) and when he does he rarely is able to get past hordes without notifying at least one grunt and would be killed in any true FPS other than Halo due to being big,slow, and very vulnerable to bullets. If the covenant attacked the Chief as any significant intelligent force he would be forced to use stealth at least 70 percent of the time. Snake would kill the mentally incompetent flood and the even more moronic covenant (horrible group A.I.) by simply sneaking around the entire game and assassinating their leaders (the grave minds and the prophets). Chief on the other hand would come guns blazing (or would fire eventually without a silencer)while power walking and would be killed by - you can take your pick: Ocelot , GreyFox (A.K.A:borg ninja),Sniper Wolf, Vulcana Raven, Psychomantis, Liquid or the army of genetically modified soldiers that patrolled the game. It is not smart to put the Master Chief in a game that has real super soldiers in it. And lets not leave out the cyborg ninjas...it is crucial to never forget the cyborg ninjas!!! 🥷
THIS has to be marked as the single most innacurate, unresearched, and utterly wasteful post I have ever EVER seen on KMC for a very long time...
Now look, both of these men are modified super soldiers, and make no mistake, Snakes good at what he does, solo infiltration. BUT, in a straight up fight, MC will win hands down in so many ways it's frigging no contest, not only does MC have a 500 year technological edge (This means that even his genetic enhancements have over 5 centurie of refinement over Snake's), but he also has the more exotic weapon choices, has a MASSIVE strength improvement, as well as speed, cognitive ability, and defence.
About the ONLY real thing Snake has over MC is experience, and has the definitive advantage in terms of stealth. he knows how to hide and ambush.
However, MC does have the Motion tracker, and has survived things that would very well curtail Snake's existance...
I can sum it up like this, MC could definitively win due to technological edge, the very same reason MC would lose to Duke Nukem or Turok... Better weaponry.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Normally I would not get involved with debates like this but...THIS has to be marked as the single most innacurate, unresearched, and utterly wasteful post I have ever EVER seen on KMC for a very long time...
Now look, both of these men are modified super soldiers, and make no mistake, Snakes good at what he does, solo infiltration. BUT, in a straight up fight, MC will win hands down in so many ways it's frigging no contest, not only does MC have a 500 year technological edge (This means that even his genetic enhancements have over 5 centurie of refinement over Snake's), but he also has the more exotic weapon choices, has a MASSIVE strength improvement, as well as speed, cognitive ability, and defence.
About the ONLY real thing Snake has over MC is experience, and has the definitive advantage in terms of stealth. he knows how to hide and ambush.
However, MC does have the Motion tracker, and has survived things that would very well curtail Snake's existance...
I can sum it up like this, MC could definitively win due to technological edge, the very same reason MC would lose to Duke Nukem or Turok... Better weaponry.
QFT.
Snake is tough and all, but Master Chief is pretty much in another league. The only way I could see MC losing is if they fought in a MGS game because well...Snake's jobber aura in that game is SUPREME.
Originally posted by DarkC
It's nice to see people spewing utter sewage that they have absolutely no idea about. Congratulations for not doing your research.The Chief is much faster and stronger than a human (Snake) due to biogenetic enhancements, but by no means is he lacking in stealth. In the Ghosts of Onyx novel, even with his armor on he was able to sneak up on a guard and with the help of his armor, deceive some detection systems. In the time that the guard tosses a cigarette in the air and hits the ground, the Chief was able to lunge forward soundlessly, snap the guy's neck, and catch the body before the cigarette hits the ground.
This is interesting since we are talking about the game characters in which case this is not part of this thread whatsoever. We are speaking of video game characters and their actions in their respective games.
You're making it sound like he's some ridiculous brute severely lacking in movement. Simply ridiculous. And prone to bullets? It takes about an entire clip from an armor-peircing assault rifle to bring down his shields.
The Master Chief is no brute by any mean but he is extremely slow in the games. Sniper bullets penetrate his armor easy enough and so would other guns as well.
In a battlefield where you're outnumbered and outgunned, you really think an all out frontal assault is going to work? Way to understand basic tactics.
Again it depends what difficulty the game is set at. The Chief doesn't need to hide at all on Normal while on Legendary mis direction is more and styealth are more advisable. Yet the chief is assaulting areas he is much much more offensive than anything.Your argument there isn't just flawed, it's completely broken altogether.
Have you even played through Halo 3? Just once?Haha just send me an email and you can view legendary completed. I am up to mlg customs anytime buddy I say that with no more ego than I have earned through experience.
There are some areas where stealth won't work. I'd personally enjoy Snake trying to take on a full pack of battle-raging Brutes in close quarters combat in a cramped hallway.
Chief cannot either not on legendary at least without some insane weaponry or glitch. Snake could with a rocket launcher and camo as well.
Your knowledge of the Halo world is decidedly pathetic.
Oh you mean like the inconsistancies in height that the chief has undergone- please I am the Master Chief.Um, that's not how the Master Chief's kill-strategy works. He rarely goes with the Rambo approach. Like I said, read up.
Halo is not a stealth game even if you try really hard it is a pure - clicks gamer - game.If your argument consists solely of listing off characters from the Metal Gear Solid series who can outsmart some dimwitted Rambo-based armored character, I could technically claim a victory right here and now.
All the characters I listed could beat the Master Chief from the game thats all no need to take the lack of feats Chief has out on me for my supported opinion.I'm sorry I had to take a piss on that Rice Krispies ego of yours, but you desperately need to do your research before shooting your mouth off like that.
No problem dude I have researched both characters fully. I support my argument within the context given I do not use material from sources other than the games in a thread specified for ingame characters.He is a super soldier, Decimus. It's been listed in the game manual.
I was just trying tot get through to the Master Chief fanboys that Master Chief is being hyped even right now. I don't have any ego I can say what I feel like and am sorry if I offended you and your character defending the character with better feats.
You just refuse to ignorantly believe it, or are so in love with Solid Snake it blinds you to the truth. He's outwitted special operations elites armed with active camouflage.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Normally I would not get involved with debates like this but...THIS has to be marked as the single most innacurate, unresearched, and utterly wasteful post I have ever EVER seen on KMC for a very long time...
Now look, both of these men are modified super soldiers, and make no mistake, Snakes good at what he does, solo infiltration. BUT, in a straight up fight, MC will win hands down in so many ways it's frigging no contest, not only does MC have a 500 year technological edge (This means that even his genetic enhancements have over 5 centurie of refinement over Snake's), but he also has the more exotic weapon choices, has a MASSIVE strength improvement, as well as speed, cognitive ability, and defence.
About the ONLY real thing Snake has over MC is experience, and has the definitive advantage in terms of stealth. he knows how to hide and ambush.
However, MC does have the Motion tracker, and has survived things that would very well curtail Snake's existance...
I can sum it up like this, MC could definitively win due to technological edge, the very same reason MC would lose to Duke Nukem or Turok... Better weaponry.
You have logic to your argument yet within the context of the characters in question and the games in question logic would dictate (ingame)feats and (again ingame ) ability to determine the winner. Again sorry if you were offended by the feats. I placed they both have comparable technology except for armor. Snake even has camo and Snake has controllable missiles that the Chief never had. Again speed has never been displayed in game so it is v pretty void in this thread.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
QFT.Snake is tough and all, but Master Chief is pretty much in another league. The only way I could see MC losing is if they fought in a MGS game because well...Snake's jobber aura in that game is SUPREME.
You are viewing the characters as they should be rather than what they have shown so far from their respective games. I realize it is immature to compare halo fans to hulk fans but I viewed the posts on this topic to be immature as well. But I respect your opinion man it is what most would argue.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
And the AI in Metal Gear is so much better? It sucks ass. That has no bearing on the fight at all.
Just saying that the covenant elites that the Chief has fought can be beaten by exploiting the limits. Same for Snake the intelligence in both games are not really great so it isn't a viable arguing point.
Originally posted by Decimus
You have logic to your argument yet within the context of the characters in question and the games in question logic would dictate (ingame)feats and (again ingame ) ability to determine the winner. Again sorry if you were offended by the feats. I placed they both have comparable technology except for armor. Snake even has camo and Snake has controllable missiles that the Chief never had. Again speed has never been displayed in game so it is v pretty void in this thread.
Originally posted by Decimus
Again speed has never been displayed in game so it is v pretty void in this thread.
It doesn't matter whether they were displayed in-game or in the novel, so long as it's there. The games and novels are both endorsed by Bungie and so are legitimate sources of information. In this case, Master Chief's speed would count and be a deciding factor.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
The thread started, Decimus, has stated already that the novel feats can't be used, only the game.Basically, it's common knowledge that the Chief would beat the living shit out of Snake effortlessly, so to make things fair Decimus took away most of his abilities.
Thanks a lot... I guess. Master Chief would normally have an advantage due to tech but it would never be an effortless win what so ever. An opponent is the most dangerous threat when they are underestimated. 😉