Originally posted by llagrok
Juggernaut was a psychic entity, go figure.But if we're going to follow the Onslaught Saga, then Apocalypse and Cable one-shotted the Hulk and a couple of other übers.
Besides, how can the gem be inside Cain if it's actually located in outter space?
as for Cable one-shotting Hulk, proof please, I think you're just misrepresenting the Storm/Cable thing.
and when did Apocalypse ever one-shot Hulk? he needed him, for his Celestial challenging plans.
Originally posted by janus77
I read that there was a story prior to the Onslaught saga where a boy gains possession of the gem, after it falls to Earth. Cain takes the gem off the boy and keeps it... so not much of a problem there.as for Cable one-shotting Hulk, proof please, I think you're just misrepresenting the Storm/Cable thing.
and when did Apocalypse ever one-shot Hulk? he needed him, for his Celestial challenging plans.
Onslaught creates replicas of the Hulk and other guys for Cable and Apocalypse to fight, when they're on the astral plane.
Originally posted by llagrok
Onslaught creates replicas of the Hulk and other guys for Cable and Apocalypse to fight, when they're on the astral plane.
honestly, I'm not mocking you, I just don't see the coherence in your argument there 😐.
Originally posted by janus77
Onslaught mind-controlled Hulk and Thor for a while, that I remember... but replicas?
and how on earth does that back-up what you said before?honestly, I'm not mocking you, I just don't see the coherence in your argument there 😐.
When Cable and Apocalypse tried to make it into Onslaught's fortress.
Originally posted by janus77
nonsense.
Onslaught's armour and body was physical, he pawned Juggernaut PHYSICALLY (smacking him senseless and across the continent) as well as astrally.War Hulk pawned him too, directly overpowering his "unstoppable" forward momentum.
WWH did the same, to the forward momentum, only he took a few panels rather than pages.
imo, the greatest feat Juggernaut's got is taking Thor's GodBlast... and smacking Cyttorak...
^^^That's complete nonsense. Onslaught's armor is the only tangible structure.
War Hulk needed Celestial power to stop Juggernaut
WWH didn't even begin to stop Juggernaut after he was repowered.
think before type.
Thanos would clean the floor with Cytorrak. Lord Order and Master Chaos' domain is the realm of "Vishanti's and all Magic". Meaning they are the most powerful of all the mystical beings in the MU. Thanos cannot be affected by them, directly stating that he exists beyond Chaos and Order.
A being like Cytorrak would hold no sway over Thanos and would not be able to hurt him.
Originally posted by TheLogo
Thanos would clean the floor with Cytorrak. Lord Order and Master Chaos' domain is the realm of "Vishanti's and all Magic". Meaning they are the most powerful of all the mystical beings in the MU. Thanos cannot be affected by them, directly stating that he exists beyond Chaos and Order.A being like Cytorrak would hold no sway over Thanos and would not be able to hurt him.
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