Originally posted by Deathstroke
Batman hit him from behind knocking him through the window and Deathstroke proceded to casually kick his face into a bookshelf. DS was holding his arm I believe, but Bats was knocked the **** out on the ground in a bloody mess.
And Slade was holding his ribs limping to his motorcycle and got his ass kicked by some jobber an issue later because Batman beat him just as silly.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Batman wasn't done, he got up and knocked him over in the page after the "fight ended" and would have kept going until Slade slammed him into a wall.Post-Upgrade Slade might be class 2 TOPS, still not much higher then people like Cap or Sabertooth and strong enough to make Colossus (who's more durable then Aquaman) worry.
and thus ended it again 😬
I don't think so as he has done things that indicate he is more then that. Oh I'm not saying DS is going to take Colossus physically, his tech is key. However, the gas grenades wouldn't work on Colossus [doesn't need to breath], and his Prom sword and staff would most likely only cause sparks on Colossus hide like Wolverine's claws did with no physical damage. So basically he really has nothing in his standard equip that really could do much to Colossus.
Isn't this a little unfair.
And I do not mean unfair to DS, but unfair to Colossus?
Why ...well, this is like having a fight between a tank and a soldier carrying an anti-tank missile launcher with a missile in it. And the stipulation is that the tank cannot shoot ....all it can do is get close to the soldier and run him down.
The tank is colossus, and the soldier with the Javelin launcher is DS.
Colossus is major strong, far stronger than DS could dream of. But he is still a character that needs to get close, get his fists on you, and pummel you to dust.
DS, on the other hand, is a tactical genius.
Thus, it is interesting that people expect the two to stand next to each other and start trading blows. What would happen is that DS wouldn't even get within 50 feet of Colossus, it wouldn't be a physical fight, and DS is too intelligent to even consider a brawl with someone a tenth of the strength of Colossus.
The soldier with the anti-tank missile would take out the Tank long before the tank gets close enough to run him down.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
and thus ended it again 😬
With Slade limping just as badly beaten as Batman. Unlike your post which tries to imply Slade beating Batman and walking away like nothing happened.
I don't think so as he has done things that indicate he is more then that.
Like....
So basically he really has nothing in his standard equip that really could do much to Colossus.
So Colossus is that much more durable then Thing?
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
With Slade limping just as badly beaten as Batman. Unlike your post which tries to imply Slade beating Batman and walking away like nothing happened.I don't think so as he has done things that indicate he is more then that.
Like....
So basically he really has nothing in his standard equip that really could do much to Colossus.
So Colossus is that much more durable then Thing?
Where did I say he walked away like nothing happened? Where did I say DS didn't get hurt? All I said he left him in a bloody mess and he did 😬 Why do you keep claiming things I never said?
Taken it to people far stronger then class 2 and hurting them
yes, because adamantium has sliced up Thing pretty badly in the past and Prom is DC's adamantium. Also Thing has to breath unlike Colossus so the gas grenades would work
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Where did I say he walked away like nothing happened? Where did I say DS didn't get hurt? All I said he left him in a bloody mess and he did 😬 Why do you keep claiming things I never said?
You brought up a fight where Slade beat Batman bloody then when questioned on if it were the one where he limps away and they have a physical stalemate you reply
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Nope,1. http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5300/batmanvsdeathstroke37gx.gif
2. http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/4384/batmanvsdeathstroke44hz.gifCurrently I would agree she couldn't, when she had her serum..maybe
Hoping that nobody would actually check your selective scanning (unf for you I actually brushed up on my DS the other day) and implying that Deathstroke walked away like nothing happened.
Taken it to people far stronger then class 2 and hurting them
IOW nothing a peak human can't do.
yes, because adamantium has sliced up Thing pretty badly in the past and Prom is DC's adamantium.
And I'm pretty sure Addy has also barely scratched him in the past as well.
Also Thing has to breath unlike Colossus so the gas grenades would work
Thing can't hold his breath while beating down Deathstroke? That's another topic though.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
You brought up a fight where Slade beat Batman bloody then when questioned on if it were the one where he limps away and they have a physical stalemate you reply
Because I wasn't adressing the arm bar. I was addressing what happened in the actual fight and DS pounded him pretty bad 😬
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Hoping that nobody would actually check your selective scanning and implying that Deathstroke walked away like nothing happened.
Well considering their not my scans..meh? I read the fight, but that's the only part of the scan that I could post what happened.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Taken it to people far stronger then class 2 and hurting themIOW nothing a peak human can't do..
Heh! Captain America threw his shield and caught up with a rocket that was launched. Peak human is a very vague term.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
yes, because adamantium has sliced up Thing pretty badly in the past and Prom is DC's adamantium.And I'm pretty sure Addy has also barely scratched him in the past as well.
Not that I recall, one incident a stab to the shoulder knocked him out could, and another Wolverine left his face in a mangled mess. Know the time where it didn't work?
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Also Thing has to breath unlike Colossus so the gas grenades would workThing can't hold his breath while beating down Deathstroke? That's another topic though.
He's not going to catch DS, and he can't hold his breath like Hulk can...or he could do what Batman did to Hulk 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Eh he probably wasn't, but it's nowhere near Mungi's implication where he just came in a beat Batman ass and left.
No where did I state that EVER
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Because I wasn't adressing the arm bar. I was addressing what happened in the actual fight and DS pounded him pretty bad 😬
Yeah and Batman put the beat on him to, hence his limp and poor performance in issues later. And what had actually happened in the fight is that they locked hands with neither side budging until Batman kicked him in the face.
Heh! Captain America threw his shield can caught up with a rocket that was launched. Peak human is a very vague term.
Alright how about
less then Class 2
Not that I recall, one incident a stab to the shoulder knocked him out could, and another Wolverine left his face in a mangled mess. Know the time where it didn't work?
I recall a slash to the gut doing nothing but knocking out a few rocks.
He's not going to catch DS, and he can't hold his breath like Hulk can...or he could do what Batman did to Hulk 😖hifty:
He's going to catch DS, he can hold his breath a long ass time, and he'd break every bone in his body. Which isn't what Batman did to Hulk 😖hifty:
No where did I state that EVER
Originally posted by King_Mungi
(when asked if that was the fight where they stalemated a few times and Deathstroke was just as beaten as Batman)Nope,1. http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5300/batmanvsdeathstroke37gx.gif
2. http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/4384/batmanvsdeathstroke44hz.gif (notice how it coincidentally ends in the most pro-Deathstroke manner possible)Currently I would agree she couldn't, when she had her serum..maybe
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Yeah and Batman put the beat on him to, hence his limp and poor performance in issues later.
and where did I say otherwise? I never said he didn't get hurt, I said he pounded him into a bloddy mess and he did. Fact.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Heh! Captain America threw his shield can caught up with a rocket that was launched. Peak human is a very vague term.Alright how about
less then Class 2
That feat is above peak human, which is suppose to be able to press 800 lbs.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Not that I recall, one incident a stab to the shoulder knocked him out could, and another Wolverine left his face in a mangled mess. Know the time where it didn't work?I recall a slash to the gut doing nothing but knocking out a few rocks.
When was this? He has shown to be very vulnerable to adamantium strikes before
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
He's going to catch DS, he can hold his breath a long ass time, and he'd break every bone in his body. Which isn't what Batman did to Hulk 😖hifty:[/i]
Maybe after a long long long time, as really here DS doesn't have much that could put Colossus down...and alright how long can he hold his breath? Batman kicked Hulk in the gut and made him suck in the gas and he passed out. FYI, I'm not saying DS wins
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
No where did I state that EVER [/i]
I was quoting "stalemate in a arm lock?" part, and notice the scans I posted were of the hand to hand fight and made reference to that part of the fight I was talking about 😬
Originally posted by King_Mungi
and where did I say otherwise? I never said he didn't get hurt, I said he pounded him into a bloddy mess and he did. Fact.
Fact: I asked if that was the fight Deathstroke limped off.
Fact: You said nope then manipulated the event to make it seem like Deathstroke beat him down and walked off with a few minor knicks and cuts.
That feat is above peak human, which is suppose to be able to press 800 lbs.
So?
When was this? He has shown to be very vulnerable to adamantium strikes before
Iono, I just remember there being a time (back when arguing what his insides were was a big thing) where Thing was stabbed (maybe Spikey era) and it didn't really do much.
I was quoting "stalemate in a arm lock?" part, and notice the scans I posted were of the hand to hand fight
And you were wrong (trying to once again manipulate events) on that account too.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Fact: I asked if that was the fight Deathstroke limped off.
Fact: You said nope then manipulated the event to make it seem like Deathstroke beat him down and walked off with a few minor knicks and cuts.
No, you commented on the arm bar part at the end where they stalemated. I didn't even give a commentary of the fight I justed posted the scan of that brief hand to hand exchange which DS clearly got the better of him 😬 Or are you arguing that? [DS got the better of him?]
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
That feat is above peak human, which is suppose to be able to press 800 lbs.So?
If their listed at just peak human and go superhuman feats they technically are superhuman. Even in the DS fight, Batman was said to hit harder then super strong individuals
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
When was this? He has shown to be very vulnerable to adamantium strikes beforeIono, I just remember there being a time (back when arguing what his insides were was a big thing) where Thing was stabbed (maybe Spikey era) and it didn't really do much.
Obviously Spiky Thing is superior to regular Thing, while regular Thing has shown to be effective with adamantium.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
I was quoting "stalemate in a arm lock?" part, and notice the scans I posted were of the hand to hand fightAnd you were wrong (trying to once again manipulate events) on that account too.
How was a wrong? As that fight DIDN'T end in a stalemate, after he was walking away then they stalemated. How many times did I state and show which part of the fight I was referencing? How many times did I say he never got hurt? Never. Your the one twisiting words.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No, you commented on the arm bar part at the end where they stalemated. I didn't even give a commentary of the fight I justed posted the scan of that brief hand to hand exchange which DS clearly got the better of him 😬 Or are you arguing that?
The only comment on your scans I made were why are you manipulating the event. You're the one that said it wasn't the fight DS limped off and they didn't physically stalemate and then posted scans to make it seem like DS beat his ass and went back to whatever mischief he was up to like nothing happened.
If their listed at just peak human and go superhuman feats they technically are superhuman.
No they aren't, they're still peak humans. DS isn't too far off from being one himself.
Even in the DS fight, Batman was said to hit harder then super strong individuals
Because he does. Hell Batman has gone on record telling Batgirl not to crush human skulls with palm strikes.
How was a wrong?
You manipulated the whole event to make it seem like DS dominated the match leaving out a bunch of pro Batman scenes.
As that fight DIDN'T end in a stalemate,
I never said the fight ended in a stalemate.
after he was walking away then they stalemated.
*limping away
How many times did I state and show which part of the fight I was referencing?
Your argument is that in a fight pre-Upgrade DS beat Batman bloody (in efforts to make DS seem greater then what he is), I merely pointed out that in that very same fight they had a physical stalemate and at the end Deathstroke walked away limping.
How many times did I say he never got hurt? Never.
Papa Smurph: You're talking about the one (the fight) where he limps away after a hard fight (and) where they stalemate in a arm lock?
King Mungi:Nope,
1. http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/...hstroke37gx.gif
2. http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/...hstroke44hz.gif
Your the one twisiting words.
No, you manipulated an event and hoped nobody would call you on it (which makes just about any scan you post to me from here on out suspect). I did, now you're backpedaling and playing dumb.
*SIGH* Once again as how many times have I said it? I wasn't quoting the arm bar part, as I was talking about where DS left him into a bloody mess. It was when he walks away from the battered Batman is when he gets attack after the intial fight was over. Thus starting a new fight as DS thought he ended it earlier. Once again I have never even said DS wasn't hurt as he clearly was and I even said he was. Your referencing another part of the fight while I was referencing another..hence the scans I posted in reference to what I was saying. I even made note to what happends after and made note how even DS says Batman punches harder then super-strong people. I even made note that DS did get hurt, and didn't walk away unharmed as well several times. Over and over and over I keep saying what I was referencing; but you keep saying I was twisting words when all I said was "nope" and posted two scans of when they briefly clashed which DS clearly was superior and left him into a bloody mess and that's how it ended.
On topic: DS doesn't have the means in his standard equipment to take down Colossus
Originally posted by King_Mungi
*SIGH* Once again as how many times have I said it? I wasn't quoting the arm bar part,
Except you were the one who brought up arm bar in the first place.
as I was talking about where DS left him into a bloody mess.
And denied that he was limping due to the beating Batman gave him and that they got into a physical stalemate earlier in the fight.
And in order to make your argument seem credible you pull the patented selective scanning.
It was when he walks away from the battered Batman is when he gets attack after the intial fight was over.
There was no new fight, Batman got up in the very next panel and put his ass through a window.
Once again I have never even said DS wasn't hurt as he clearly was and I even said he was.
"nope" *posts scans that only show DS with the upper hand as proof*
Your referencing another part of the fight while I was referencing another..
More like
I'm referencing the whole fight whereas you're convienently only scanning the events where Slade appears to have the massive advantage.
I even made note to what happends after and made note how even DS says Batman punches harder then super-strong people. I even made note that DS did get hurt, and didn't walk away unharmed as well several times.
After you were called.
but you keep saying I was twisting words when all I said was "nope" and posted two scans of when they briefly clashed which DS clearly was superior and left him into a bloody mess and that's how it ended.
And this was the scan manipulation, they didn't briefly clash, the fight was drawn out through about 7 pages and Batman kicks him through a window THE VERY NEXT PANEL from "when it ends."
On topic: DS doesn't have the means in his standard equipment to take down Colossus
Glad you see the (blatantly) obvious, if only you saw things correctly last time.
Wow Papa you astound me, it was you who brought up the arm bar incident as I was referncing the first part of the fight where DS was superior and he was. Fact. It was when he walked away then Batman attack him again and that WASN'T what I was referencing. You keep trying over and over and over again implying and saying things I never said or implied. When I keep saying over and over again what I was referencing.
"Glad you see the (blatantly) obvious, if only you saw things correctly last time."
Yeah sure, if you ignore the fact he has been koed by gas before [Diablo] and ignore the fact his hide has been shown to be extemely vulnerable to adamantium...several times and Prom is DC's adamantium. Yeah silly me.
Once again I'm done with you Papa, I say one thing you twist it into something I never said or implied 😬
