Originally posted by janus77
you don't know what damage a creature of a cat's intelligence might do with the juggernaut's powers... safer to keep them in Cain's limited 'hands'.
Not true. BFR is not an acceptable method of victory against Cain Marko.
If they utilize X's plan and end Cain Marko's life, they can very easily put the Catternaut in an Oa prison, or dump him in a black hole, or put him on another, isolated plane of existence or....
Originally posted by janus77
but what if the "Catternaut" combines his Juggernaut forward momentum thing with a cat's naturally phenomenal agility and the nine lives thing?it'll bring down the entire universe...
Juggernaut once broke through dimensional barriers, might be able to get back.
As eighth day Juggernaut.
Something he isn't for this thread, and something that the Lanterns wouldn't even know to consider. The Juggernaut is dead. The Catternaut is in a black hole, Oan prison, or an isolated plane of existence. The Catternaut will have no REASON to try to get out. A creature of the Cat's intelligence has no concept of revenge, nor will it even really realize that the Lanterns were responsible for the transfer.
In fact, such a transfer would likely be such a shock to the Cat, it'd go into a catatonic state for the rest of it's immortal life.
the Catternaut would escape for the same reason that cats don't wear leashes... they are enigmatic creatures given to mysterious wanderings.
give them irresistible forward momentum and the entire omniverse is doomed ❌.
anyway, this is a technical victory as "Juggernaut" =/= Cain, but the charm.
so removing Cain's mind would still leave the Charm working a-ok.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So in knock out fights, telepathically knocking out Cain's mind isn't a win. One must telepathically knock out the enchantment.
it's not as if they're one and the same thing, unlike say Superman or Flash.
Originally posted by janus77
well, technically if the fight is between "x" and The Juggernaut, shouldn't the charm be overpowered and not just the man utilising it?it's not as if they're one and the same thing, unlike say Superman or Flash.
The Flash is the Flash because of the speedforce.
So, if you'd really like to apply that logic, you'd have to knock out the dimension the Flash is empowered by, not the man utilizing it.
Originally posted by Soljer
The Flash is the Flash because of the speedforce.So, if you'd really like to apply that logic, you'd have to knock out the dimension the Flash is empowered by, not the man utilizing it.
say for instance, Strange with the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak... you break the bands, you beat the magic, you break Strange's neck but fail to break the bands, you beat Strange and not the magic. you see?
Originally posted by janus77
the Speedforce is his power source, yes. but when you talk about Flash you are talking about a particular person, Wally, Bart etc and not about The SpeedForce. when you talk about The Juggernaut, you are talking about a charm created by Cyttorak and not specifically about the one wielding it, technically.say for instance, Strange with the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak... you break the bands, you beat the magic, you break Strange's neck but fail to break the bands, you beat Strange and not the magic. you see?
First page, opening post.
"This is current juggy vs...."
Current 'juggy' is Cain Marko who is empowered by Cyttorak the same way Current 'flashy' is Wally West empowered by the speedforce.
It's directly and entirely analogous.
Originally posted by janus77
k, I was speaking in more general terms, with specific regard to the concept of Juggernaut.and not entirely analogous because the Flashes have different attributes and degrees of contact with the SpeedForce, as far as I'm aware.
Juggernauts all pretty much are the Charm.
Not true. As alluded to by Cyttorak himself, the Juggernaut's power depends upon his own determination.
Different Juggernaut's can be on different levels.