How exactly does he "kill" planets? Ive read at a few places that he drains the planet of its force, if so, that wont work on minerva since the planet/minerva does not have any force, thoughwe've never seen the powers of Minerva, she is the physical manifestation of the planet, and the judgement of the lifestream, she can create life, revive life, and can do anything the lifestream can
Originally posted by 123KIDWhat bullshit, since when he kills planets? He simply kills whats ON the planet.
since we assume characters come with their powersets intact Nihilus kills Minerva since it's the planet and he kills planets
If he could drain planets then why the hell is malachor V or yavin IV teeming with dark side energy?
Minerva takes a shit on nihilus.
What bullshit, since when he kills planets? He simply kills whats ON the planet.
which happens to be the life of the planet
der ?
every living thing on Gaia had a part of the Lifestream in them and once its all gone Minerva loses
If he could drain planets then why the hell is malachor V or yavin IV teeming with dark side energy?
guh ?
he kills planets with lots of Force Sensitives
i don't think the ravaged husk of dead that was Malachor V and the old temples of Yavin count
if he wanted to absorb dark energy he just would have gone to Korriban
Minerva takes a shit on nihilus.
she never did anything except give her power to Genesis and have him get his ass kicked by ZACK
Nihilus' only planetkilling move only affects the life on planets, not the planet itself(well, actually, it does, but does not destroy it, I think it was causing eruptions and knocking over buildings or sumthin).
The Lifestream makes up EVERYTHING on the planet, Nihilus would have to destroy the planet
Also, the more death there is on the planet, the more powerful the lifestream becomes.
Can Nihilus absorb lifestream? To the point that the planet turns into ash and breaks apart? Remember lifestream is not the same as energy, the lifestream is living and Minerva is its conscious and physical manifestation, lifestream is also untouchable and will disintigrate whatever touches it, unlike energy that Nihilus absorbs. I doubt Nihilus can absorb lifestream
Now, i will not insult you in this debate, do the same and i'll keep it civil.
Originally posted by 123KIDDude, the scans you posted proved you wrong, every living thing on katarr.
which happens to be the life of the planet
der ?
every living thing on Gaia had a part of the Lifestream in them and once its all gone Minerva loses
I believe the correct term is [i]Life ON the planet
.Originally posted by 123KIDO rly? Firstly you will have to prove that katarr was as deeply immersed in the dark side of the force as korriban and yavin Iv.
he kills planets with lots of Force Sensitives
Have you not realised that the amount of dark side energy present in korriban was described as "incredible and VERY strong" by kreia?
And the fact that the dark side energy present in korriban is far greater than than of a few hundred jedi gathered on katarr?
So tell me, why does korriban, malachor Iv, ziost, malachor V, Lehon ALL still remain intact if nihilus could actually feed on planets?
There was a large period of time between the destruction of katarr and the time of the battle of telos IV so why the hell would he not drain those planets IF he could actually do so as you claim?
Oh right and its pretty stupid that he would go all the way to telos IV for a jedi rather than drain the incredible dark side energy present at the planets i have mentioned.
The ONLY force user whom was shown to be able to actually drain a planet is emperor palpatine.
Again Prove he drains planets
Originally posted by 123KIDRight and where does the dark energy derive from? The planet itself. If he could drain planets he would have drained those worlds.
i don't think the ravaged husk of dead that was Malachor V and the old temples of Yavin count
if he wanted to absorb dark energy he just would have gone to Korriban
Now, please specify clearly, are you trying to say he drains whats on the planet or the planet itself?
Originally posted by E-Hotshot
Whilst that's all true, Darth Bane's the only Force User who's shown to be able to move at such speeds whilst in close combat with another Force User (and even then he only maintains it for one manoeuvre), whereas numerous FFVII characters (Sephiroth, Cloud, Vincent, and Weiss to name a few) are shown to be able to move at such speeds (where they seemingly teleport from one position to another) midway through combat.
This isn't true.
To even Leia, a force user, DE Sideous and Luke were fighting faster then the eye could see the whole duel if I'm not mistaken.
Jedi certaintly aren't slow pokes.
Now, i will not insult you in this debate, do the same and i'll keep it civil.
fair enough
Dude, the scans you posted proved you wrong, every living thing on katarr.I believe the correct term is [i]Life ON the planet.
except Minerva gets her power FROM every living thing ON the planet
everything has some Spirit Energy and some Lifestream in their bodies naturally and upon death it returns to the Planet and Minerva
if Nihilus kills and takes all that energy Minerva has nothing
O rly? Firstly you will have to prove that katarr was as deeply immersed in the dark side of the force as korriban and yavin Iv.
i never said it was....that was the whole point of my post was that it didn't matter of Katarr had any Dark Side energy on it
So tell me, why does korriban, malachor Iv, ziost, malachor V, Lehon ALL still remain intact if nihilus could actually feed on planets?
because he didn't want those worthless husks of planets
he needs life and more importantly Force Sensitive life to sustain himself
"[Kreia] spoke of the Jedi academy here on Telos...and my Master was forced to come here."
"If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station... he will cleanse it of life. ...and if there are no Jedi below, he will have no other choice."
There was a large period of time between the destruction of katarr and the time of the battle of telos IV so why the hell would he not drain those planets IF he could actually do so as you claim?
because dead husks of planets don't cut it
Oh right and its pretty stupid that he would go all the way to telos IV for a jedi rather than drain the incredible dark side energy present at the planets i have mentioned.
Dark Side energy is not living energy
Nihilus needs life to cause death and there is hardly any life on Malachor V or Korriban
there is some on Yavin IV but it's mainly all Kun's old sith monstrosities so doubt it's very filling
The ONLY force user whom was shown to be able to actually drain a planet is emperor palpatine.
over a long period of time
Nihilus wiped out a planet in short order
Right and where does the dark energy derive from? The planet itself. If he could drain planets he would have drained those worlds.
that's totally fallacious and against everything we're told about Nihilus' hunger
you're using the fact he doesn't do something because he doesn't want ot to prove he can't and that's ridiculous
Now, please specify clearly, are you trying to say he drains whats on the planet or the planet itself?
do we ever see Katarr again ?
whatever shape its in might allude to which he does it says he killed everything on Katarr but it also looks like volcanoes erupting so maybe it's more
Originally posted by 123KIDYou do know the nature of nihilus attacks right?
fair enoughexcept Minerva gets her power FROM every living thing ON the planet
everything has some Spirit Energy and some Lifestream in their bodies naturally and upon death it returns to the Planet and Minerva
if Nihilus kills and takes all that energy Minerva has nothing
Originally posted by 123KIDYour point was that he drained a planes life.i never said it was....that was the whole point of my post was that it didn't matter of Katarr had any Dark Side energy on it
Originally posted by 123KIDOk, and what about yavin Iv whom hosts life? What about coruscant? What about planets like naboo?
because he didn't want those worthless husks of planets
he needs life and more importantly Force Sensitive life to sustain himself
And why would he want to drain telos when half the planet is still "dead" and radioactive? Its simply because he drains whats ON the planet.
Originally posted by 123KIDThat ALONE means he attacks force sensitives and not the planet itself.
"[Kreia] spoke of the Jedi academy here on Telos...and my Master was forced to come here."
Originally posted by 123KIDThat does not necessarily mean he will drain the planet.
"If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station... he will cleanse it of life. ...and if there are no Jedi below, he will have no other choice."
Just look at the part If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger.
That means he can't feed his hunger if no jedi are present, that means he CANNOT drain the planet of life.
Originally posted by 123KIDI was under the impression you said drain planets of the force, but i was wrong.
because dead husks of planets don't cut it
Originally posted by 123KIDSee the above posts, it has been corrected.
Dark Side energy is not living energy
Nihilus needs life to cause death and there is hardly any life on Malachor V or Korriban
there is some on Yavin IV but it's mainly all Kun's old sith monstrosities so doubt it's very filling
Originally posted by 123KIDRight and it was palpatines mere presence pn byss which was feeding on the planet hence it took a long period of time. Nihilus had to actively use the technique.
over a long period of time
Originally posted by 123KIDWhats to say sidious can't do the same considering his superior strength in the force?
Nihilus wiped out a planet in short order
I'm not trying to "Wank" sidious, you make it sound as if nihilus is more powerful than sidious which is clearly not the case, hence the need to argue.
Originally posted by 123KIDNo but according to visas the planet remains in orbit and stated only the surface was damaged.
do we ever see Katarr again ?
Originally posted by 123KIDAnd the volcanoes erupting could be mere coincidence.
whatever shape its in might allude to which he does it says he killed everything on Katarr but it also looks like volcanoes erupting so maybe it's more
EDIT, just found this
"I did not mean to draw comparisons between Katarr and Malachor… my homeworld still exists. It is… intact. The planet was not destroyed, it remains… it orbits, dead in space, but nothing lives on its surface. It echoes, but there is no one left to hear it."
Even this quote does not state the planets life force was sucked out but what was on it did.
You do know the nature of nihilus attacks right?
yes i'm the one who's posted how he does it with quotes........
but we assume his power crosses over
if there was no Force here he couldn't do shit
so we assume his powers apply to other universes otherwise he and every other Sith or Jedi be worthless in fights
Ok, and what about yavin Iv whom hosts life? What about coruscant? What about planets like naboo?
you are telling me he has to storm the Republic capital ?
he was looking for Force Sensitives and they were very scarce at this time so he had to search very methodically and that's why he only tchose Katarr
And why would he want to drain telos when half the planet is still "dead" and radioactive? Its simply because he drains whats ON the planet.
because it has life on it
he thought Jedi life at first but he settled on just plain life
That ALONE means he attacks force sensitives and not the planet itself.
but the planet itself dies as an effect of his attack
Tobin: "Then [Kreia’s] lies will mean [Telos’] destruction. He will destroy all of Telos, he will turn it to fire again and crush the planet beneath him. “
Visas does not disagree with Tobin and if he was wrong she would have corrected him
That means he can't feed his hunger if no jedi are present, that means he CANNOT drain the planet of life.
um Visas said :
“Even if the people below are not Force Sensitive, the small amount he can feed on from the mass destruction, and the life on the planet, will sustain him a while longer.”
he does nto need Force Sensitives they are just his preference
Right and it was palpatines mere presence pn byss which was feeding on the planet hence it took a long period of time. Nihilus had to actively use the technique.
what Nihilus does and what Palpatine do are totally different
and Nihilus draws on life just by his presence too....
Whats to say sidious can't do the same considering his superior strength in the force?I'm not trying to "Wank" sidious, you make it sound as if nihilus is more powerful than sidious which is clearly not the case, hence the need to argue.
i've always said Nihilus is second to Palpatine
every quote says Palps is #1 so there's no disputing it
i'm just saying facts about what both Nihilus and Palpatine have done
No but according to visas the planet remains in orbit and stated only the surface was damaged.
well i'm definitely not arguing he blows the planets up or vaporizes them completely
he just kills everyone and everything on the surface and thus the planet itself is pretty much toast
And the volcanoes erupting could be mere coincidence.
i hope you're kidding
that's the biggest coincidence in history then
Originally posted by 123KIDOk, was just ensuring.
yes i'm the one who's posted how he does it with quotes........
but we assume his power crosses over
if there was no Force here he couldn't do shit
so we assume his powers apply to other universes otherwise he and every other Sith or Jedi be worthless in fights
But he does not drain planets, he could simply bombard a world and feed on the death he has caused to the flora and fauna or any living thing present.
Originally posted by 123KIDNo, i was wrong in that part. Coruscant is a city planet so no life force there.
you are telling me he has to storm the Republic capital ?
Originally posted by 123KIDKeyword, force sensitives. Not planets.
he was looking for Force Sensitives and they were very scarce at this time so he had to search very methodically and that's why he only tchose Katarr
Originally posted by 123KIDLife such as? Again half of telos is still radioactive and still under restoration, so why wouldn't he go to other worlds richer in life?
because it has life on it
he thought Jedi life at first but he settled on just plain life
Simply because he kills whats ON the planet, he kills LIFE ON the planet. He does not drain the plant itself as you claimed.
Originally posted by 123KIDWrong, whats ON the planet dies as a result.
but the planet itself dies as an effect of his attack
Originally posted by 123KIDDestroy all of telos meaning killing whats ON telos, not the planet itself.
Tobin: "Then [Kreia’s] lies will mean [Telos’] destruction. He will destroy all of Telos, he will turn it to fire again and crush the planet beneath him. “
Originally posted by 123KIDSee the above.
Visas does not disagree with Tobin and if he was wrong she would have corrected him
Originally posted by 123KID“Even if the people below are not Force Sensitive, the small amount he can feed on from the mass destruction, and the life on the planet, will sustain him a while longer.”
Keyword : on the planet NOT the planet itself.
Originally posted by 123KIDA planet > a force sensitive.
he does nto need Force Sensitives they are just his preference
Originally posted by 123KIDReally? Then how come exile visas mandalore and the mandalorian infiltrators were unaffected?
what Nihilus does and what Palpatine do are totally different
and Nihilus draws on life just by his presence too....
Can you actually prove nihilus mere presence can turn a "rich and fertile" world into "one of the most powerful dark side sites in the galaxy" like palpatine?
Originally posted by 123KIDMy apologies then.
i've always said Nihilus is second to Palpatine
every quote says Palps is #1 so there's no disputing it
i'm just saying facts about what both Nihilus and Palpatine have done
Originally posted by 123KIDBingo and thank you, On the planet. I was under the impression that you said he drains the planet itself.
well i'm definitely not arguing he blows the planets up or vaporizes them completely
he just kills everyone and everything on the surface and thus the planet itself is pretty much toast
Theres a world of difference between draining the planet and draining whats on the planet so next time please do specify correctly to prevent any confusion.
Originally posted by 123KIDIts plausible.
i hope you're kidding
that's the biggest coincidence in history then [/B]
okay, just a blanket response to everything you said before the quote i'll post, katarr is reportedly dead by his power
Tobin also says he will turn the planet to fire and that the station will be destroyed
so whatever happens it effects more than just the living people
Really? Then how come exile visas mandalore and the mandalorian infiltrators were unaffected?
because he won't let Visas die, th Exile can't be drained and the Mandalore wasn't in his presence very long
Can you actually prove nihilus mere presence can turn a "rich and fertile" world into "one of the most powerful dark side sites in the galaxy" like palpatine?
so you're telling me Palpatien just arriving on Byss turned the planet into that ?
sounds kinda like the Exar Kun makes earthquakes by walking quote
Originally posted by 123KIDIt effects whats on the planet.... Thats the point i'm trying to make, i doubt he actually drains the planet itself(the planets core, the anatomy of the planet...)
okay, just a blanket response to everything you said before the quote i'll post, katarr is reportedly dead by his power
Tobin also says he will turn the planet to fire and that the station will be destroyed
so whatever happens it effects more than just the living people
Originally posted by 123KIDKreia drained the exile and knocked her out, Anyways thinking about it yes, he can do the same but over long periods of time.
because he won't let Visas die, th Exile can't be drained and the Mandalore wasn't in his presence very long
Originally posted by 123KIDSomewhat, but i made a mistake, it was over a few years.
so you're telling me Palpatien just arriving on Byss turned the planet into that ?
It effects whats on the planet.... Thats the point i'm trying to make, i doubt he actually drains the planet itself(the planets core, the anatomy of the planet...)
ah fine then
Somewhat, but i made a mistake, it was over a few years.
okie dokie
so on the actual topic here
you see how Nihilus killing everything on the Planet will hurt Minerva right ?
because they all have Spirit Energy and Lifestream that should return to Minerva upon death but Nihilus will take it and Minerva will be ****ed