Israeli ultra-Orthodox MP blames earthquakes on gays

Originally posted by Tim Rout
If one is an evangelical Christian, then one acknowledges the Bible as God's verbally inspired, inerrant Word. The Bible makes it clear that homosexual behavior is detestable to God.

"Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin." [Leveticus 19:22/NLT]

Given your position, it is obvious you do not subscribe to biblical authority. Nevertheless, Christians are absolutely serious when we say that sexual sin, including homosexual sin, constitutes rebellion against God.

Reading your posts reminds me of some middle ages scenario, burn the witches.

Of course Homosexuality is a sin in Gods eyes, so is adultery, robbery, murder etc... Are you sin free? I doubt it !! so stop throwing stones.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Reading your posts reminds me of some middle ages scenario, burn the witches.

Of course Homosexuality is a sin in Gods eyes, so is adultery, robbery, murder etc... Are you sin free? I doubt it !! so stop throwing stones.

Actually, the specific biblical injunction requires that I not judge sins of which I myself am unrepented [Matthew 7:1-5]. While I have many weaknesses to various sins, homosexuality is not one of them.

Originally posted by King Kandy
BTW, just what IS it about Homosexuality that is so immoral?

Originally posted by King Kandy
BTW, just what IS it about Homosexuality that is so immoral?

In a nut shell, the Bible determines "right" and "wrong" based on the character and desires of God. God's character is holy, and as a consequence He desires people to be holy [Matthew 5:48]. God engineered humanity around the heterosexual family unit [Genesis 2:23-25]. Therefore, the biblical definition of marriage must include persons of the opposite gender.

It should be noted that heterosexual sex is also immoral if conducted outside the sanctity of marriage. To this end, both heterosexual and homosexual immorality are mentioned as different, but equal, offenses against God's original design [1 Corinthians 6:9-10].

So then, in answer to your question: Homosexuality is immoral because God says so.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Intellectual justification isn't needed for those types. All they need is a Bible passage, and even if it says the most ludicrous thing on the planet, it becomes fact to them without justifying either the Bible's validity nor the belief on intellectual grounds. So you won't get a straight answer from one who is so deluded.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
So then, in answer to your question: Homosexuality is immoral because God says so.

Case in point.

I still suspect troll/sock, but I guess we'll see. Though your prosthelytizing won't work here Mr. Rout, so unless yo enjoy talking to yourself and then being refuted you might think about a new approach or just posting less.

Originally posted by Tim Rout
In a nut shell, the Bible determines "right" and "wrong" based on the character and desires of God. God's character is holy, and as a consequence He desires people to be holy [Matthew 5:48]. God engineered humanity around the heterosexual family unit [Genesis 2:23-25]. Therefore, the biblical definition of marriage must include persons of the opposite gender.

It should be noted that heterosexual sex is also immoral if conducted outside the sanctity of marriage. To this end, both heterosexual and homosexual immorality are mentioned as different, but equal, offenses against God's original design [1 Corinthians 6:9-10].

So then, in answer to your question: Homosexuality is immoral because God says so.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Intellectual justification isn't needed for those types. All they need is a Bible passage, and even if it says the most ludicrous thing on the planet, it becomes fact to them without justifying either the Bible's validity nor the belief on intellectual grounds. So you won't get a straight answer from one who is so deluded.

Case in point.

I still suspect troll/sock, but I guess we'll see. Though your prosthelytizing won't work here Mr. Rout, so unless yo enjoy talking to yourself and then being refuted you might think about a new approach or just posting less.

I find it facinating how many of you guys want me to stop posting. What are you so frightened of? After all, according to you my views are little more than meaningless conjecture.

But you're right about one thing: I do look to the Bible as my supreme authority. Human intellect and argument are important. A careful examination of historical evidence is necessary. But in the end, I place my trust in the risen Lord of heaven and earth, not the minds of men.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Of course, but there must be a reason God decided that that it was immoral, there must be something inherently immoral about it. If not then he just singled a group out for hell for no reason?

There are many examples in the Bible where God gives an instruction, expects people to obey it, but never lets them in on the "why" of it. That said, it is important to understand the nature of the human predicament.

Humans are not destined to hell for committing some particular sin (like gay sex). All sin is equally deserving of punishment. We are all destined for hell because we are imperfect [Romans 3:23]. We inherited this imperfection from our original father, Adam, who rebelled against God and infected humanity with the curse of sin and death [1 Corinthians 15:21-22].

Even though we are helpless to escape our impending doom, God sent His perfect Son Jesus to do the impossible -- pay the sin debt for every person who would voluntarily turn from sin and receive His free gift of eternal life [John 1:12, 3:16-18].

In a general sense, we can understand a few things about homosexuality. Firstly, homosexual sex is a sin [1 Corinthians 6:9-10]. Secondly, all sin is harmful to humans [Romans 6:23]. Thirdly, homosexual sin is completely forgivable [1 Corinthians 6:11]. Fourthly, those who do not believe in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins will face the consequences [John 3:36].

Originally posted by Tim Rout
I find it facinating how many of you guys want me to stop posting. What are you so frightened of? After all, according to you my views are little more than meaningless conjecture.

But you're right about one thing: I do look to the Bible as my supreme authority. Human intellect and argument are important. A careful examination of historical evidence is necessary. But in the end, I place my trust in the risen Lord of heaven and earth, not the minds of men.

Not frightened. Annoyed. People like you have a tendency to dominate thread discussion, and people feel obligated to refute you however they feel like. It detracts from more nuanced intellectual religious discussion than simply quoting Bible verses, and going back and forth fruitlessly between people who don't believe the Bible is God's word, and those who do.

Also, you're still a bigot for these beliefs. Thank goodness current moral perception in mainstream society is more tolerant than these archaic belief systems.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Not frightened. Annoyed. People like you have a tendency to dominate thread discussion, and people feel obligated to refute you however they feel like. It detracts from more nuanced intellectual religious discussion than simply quoting Bible verses, and going back and forth fruitlessly between people who don't believe the Bible is God's word, and those who do.

Also, you're still a bigot for these beliefs. Thank goodness current moral perception in mainstream society is more tolerant than these archaic belief systems.

How interesting....

You believe me to be an intolerant bigot, yet YOU are the one who wants to see people like me go bye bye. I don't recall asking you (or anyone else) to stop posting anti-Christian views. The free expression of freely held ideas is one of the core principles of western civilization. I am sorry you feel evangelicals seem to dominate these discussions. Perhaps this perceived dominance lends weight to the value of our arguments?

Originally posted by Tim Rout
How interesting....

You believe me to be an intolerant bigot, yet YOU are the one who wants to see people like me go bye bye. I don't recall asking you (or anyone else) to stop posting anti-Christian views. The free expression of freely held ideas is one of the core principles of western civilization. I am sorry you feel evangelicals seem to dominate these discussions. Perhaps this perceived dominance lends weight to the value of our arguments?

I'm not commanding you to do anything. Wishing that you'd leave is a separate matter, and well within my rights of opinion. It neither harms you nor anyone else. But you're condemning others based upon barbaric beliefs. And if you think that it is merely an opinion, and that such sentiments don't cause untold grief to people in the real world, you're deluding yourself.

So yeah, bigot. In the worst sense of the word.

And the last sentence is just a ridiculously leading question, and also a bit too self-assured. Dominance has to do with the constant spouting of Bible verses, and how intellectual debate takes a back seat to copy/paste tactics that never seem to stop. If I meant "value" I would have said it. As it is, my meaning was the furthest things from such an interpretation.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm not commanding you to do anything. Wishing that you'd leave is a separate matter, and well within my rights of opinion. It neither harms you nor anyone else. But you're condemning others based upon barbaric beliefs. And if you think that it is merely an opinion, and that such sentiments don't cause untold grief to people in the real world, you're deluding yourself.

So yeah, bigot. In the worst sense of the word.

And the last sentence is just a ridiculously leading question, and also a bit too self-assured. Dominance has to do with the constant spouting of Bible verses, and how intellectual debate takes a back seat to copy/paste tactics that never seem to stop. If I meant "value" I would have said it. As it is, my meaning was the furthest things from such an interpretation.

Are you under the impression that I am commanding you to do something? If so, you are mistaken. I merely present the message of the Bible and allow people to make up their own minds -- as clearly you have made up yours.

It's easy to call someone a bigot, an idiot, a mindless fool, or any number of other insulting terms that people throw around. But insults are not arguments. Acerbity is not evidence. Pronouncements are not truth. You stand on your opinions and call them logic. I unapologetically stand on the Bible and let it speak for itself.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No one is persecuting you, but some people use the bible to persecute others.

Yeah, so what.

Muslims constantly blame infidels for everything and anything.

Jooz did it!!

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm not commanding you to do anything. Wishing that you'd leave is a separate matter, and well within my rights of opinion. It neither harms you nor anyone else. But you're condemning others based upon barbaric beliefs. And if you think that it is merely an opinion, and that such sentiments don't cause untold grief to people in the real world, you're deluding yourself.

So yeah, bigot. In the worst sense of the word.

Why do people care so much about other people's beliefs (no matte how sickening they may be) if the person isn't going out and doing something dangerous?

Do people seriously get upset over thinking "there are people out there that think I'm a sicko."? Because seriously it's never happened to me.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why do people care so much about other people's beliefs (no matte how sickening they may be) if the person isn't going out and doing something dangerous?

Do people seriously get upset over thinking "there are people out there that think I'm a sicko."? Because seriously it's never happened to me.

yeah, but you're special etc... 😛

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yeah, so what.

Muslims constantly blame infidels for everything and anything.

Jooz did it!!

Athiest, Christians and the like are infidels. The Jews are the "evil Zionist".

Originally posted by Tim Rout
But in the end, I place my trust in the risen Lord of heaven and earth, not the minds of men.

Awesome... Let's hear it for the regression of humankind!

Originally posted by Tim Rout
I nevertheless agree with my brothers and sisters that rebellion against God brings judgment.

Yeah, in the afterlife maybe. But natural disasters that punish entire societies? I don't think so. God doesn't resort to that.

Originally posted by Quark_666
Yeah, in the afterlife maybe. But natural disasters that punish entire societies? I don't think so. God doesn't resort to that.

I'm not sure what authority you're basing that statement on, but the Bible is replete with examples of God using natural disasters to punish people who displease Him. In fact, Jesus specifically predicted that famines and earthquakes would precede the day of judgment [Matthew 24:7]. When the Book of Revelation speaks of God pouring out His wrath, this virtually always has a natural disaster attached to it.