Standard Wolverine vs Ultimate Hulk

Originally posted by EvilTyrant
Now that I think of it I remember reading some old Hulk comics where someone impales themself on Wolverine's claws. In this future setting Wolverine's skeleton is still together. As a matter of fact, every future where you see Wolverine's skeleton, its still in one piece.

Even in the world of comic books, it's idiotic and embarrassing to think that bones are connected to other bones by bone. It makes all fluid movement IMPOSSIBLE. There's only so much belief you can suspend when reading comics without crossing the line into humiliating yourself.....right battlehamemer?

Originally posted by jks
I can go to a natural history museum and see a t-rex skeleton that is *gasp* still together

Even in the world of comic books, it's idiotic and embarrassing to think that bones are connected to other bones by bone. It makes all fluid movement IMPOSSIBLE. There's only so much belief you can suspend when reading comics without crossing the line into humiliating yourself.....right battlehamemer?

Indeed true. You see the thing about adamantium is that it is not flexible and the thing about tendons and so on is that they are. So how does wolverine flex his joints if they are connected by adamantium. And even if there is some kind of robot arm going on with his endo skeleton what then are the purpose of his muscles because they would clearly not be connected via tendons to his bones. Are they just there for aesthetics?

over to the believers blow

Originally posted by jks
I can go to a natural history museum and see a t-rex skeleton that is *gasp* still together

Even in the world of comic books, it's idiotic and embarrassing to think that bones are connected to other bones by bone. It makes all fluid movement IMPOSSIBLE. There's only so much belief you can suspend when reading comics without crossing the line into humiliating yourself.....right battlehamemer?

Originally posted by severance
Indeed true. You see the thing about adamantium is that it is not flexible and the thing about tendons and so on is that they are. So how does wolverine flex his joints if they are connected by adamantium. And even if there is some kind of robot arm going on with his endo skeleton what then are the purpose of his muscles because they would clearly not be connected via tendons to his bones. Are they just there for aesthetics?

over to the believers blow

Yea bones being connect to one another by bones is clearly the most idiotic thing in a world were 300 pound characters lift buildings, having the power of a million exploding suns from drinking a few chemicals, can turn to mist to ice then back to human flesh simply because there DNA is mutant, but yea bones being connect is far less unbelievable.

I see you both going “it be impossible to move or how does he flex his joints” or some other rubbish you try and bring up in a world were people can shoot beams out of there eye’s, get radiation poisoning causing a cancer that when they get angry they turn into a green monster ect.. Yes it impossible, so is pretty much every other character in marvel and the key words to explain it all is “it is not real”, it does not need to fallow real world logic or reason and seldom does.

Also I do not see either of you complaining about how Ice Man moves when he solid ice, or colossus when he solid metal and this is far crazier then bones being connected……..because they don’t even have real brains in theses forms, or muscles, or bones ect. There simply either solid metal or solid ice. Or mister fantastic who body is a stretchy rubber, how does he stand let a lone move. There are ton’s of characters with far crazy untold reasons on how they are mobile when there powers would make it impossible.

Jks don’t try and insult me and especially if your bases for doing so is because something about a character in a comic book world you find to be idiotic when it that very world people can fly to the sun with in seconds.

And like before you guys are arguing a proven fact.

And your getting too caught up on 1 detail of the overall fight. People under class 100 have knocked out Wolverine.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

And like before you guys are arguing a proven fact.

it's not a proven fact, please don't spew lies.

Again, when someone has a power that allows them to do something (ie Colossus is organic metal therefore he can move) readers can suspend belief.

however, logan has never been stated to have some weird skeletal connection that does not use tendons or cartilage. His anatomy is basically (except for claws) exactly that of a normal human's....so there is no reason to assume that his joints are somehow different.

Originally posted by redhotrash
And your getting too caught up on 1 detail of the overall fight. People under class 100 have knocked out Wolverine.

Oh and I agree Wolverine loses 10/10 I simply was correcting people about the whole ripp him apart theory

Originally posted by Master-Borg
it's not a proven fact, please don't spew lies.

I have issues which show it. I have individuals try and rip him apart and fail. I have people try and cut in between his skeleton and fail and all due to the fact his skeleton is connected.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Again, when someone has a power that allows them to do something (ie Colossus is organic metal therefore he can move) readers can suspend belief.

We know you hate Wolverine, but it will not change the fact that Logan’s skeleton is connected and has been shown that way since day one and has remained that way ever since.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
however, logan has never been stated to have some weird skeletal connection that does not use tendons or cartilage. His anatomy is basically (except for claws) exactly that of a normal human's....so there is no reason to assume that his joints are somehow different.

Really were was it ever stated that Wolverines anatomy is that of a humans?

Please I love to see were that was stated. You assume so with out reason. We already know it not the same because his mutation directly alter his autonomy granting him super senses, claws ect. We also know that his bones are superhumanly dense and not that of humans, so to assume his skeleton skeletons structure is the same as a normal humans is pure assumption with out valid reason.

SO I guess Night crawlers autonomy is just like that of a normal human, I mean hell it never been said other wise I guess it must be according to your awful logic.

I also already post title and issue number of when Logan got scanned and his captures who had scanned both jean and Banshee were not even sure that he was a mutant, because his scans were so much different then there’s, but one thing they did know was he was clearly not human. That was from simply scanning his body they knew this. Meaning his autonomy clearly showed them he could not be human nor were they sure he was mutant.

so as always I have all the evidence and you have invalid speculations which nothing to bakc up your opinion with.

battlehammer, you're the ONLY one who thinks its a fact Logan's skeleton is connected not by tendons or cartilage.

and using pics is not evidence....hell how many times do artists show a guy who isn't a CL100 lifting MUCH HEAVIER objects

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yea bones being connect to one another by bones is clearly the most idiotic thing in a world were 300 pound characters lift buildings, having the power of a million exploding suns from drinking a few chemicals, can turn to mist to ice then back to human flesh simply because there DNA is mutant, but yea bones being connect is far less unbelievable.

I see you both going “it be impossible to move or how does he flex his joints” or some other rubbish you try and bring up in a world were people can shoot beams out of there eye’s, get radiation poisoning causing a cancer that when they get angry they turn into a green monster ect.. Yes it impossible, so is pretty much every other character in marvel and the key words to explain it all is “it is not real”, it does not need to fallow real world logic or reason and seldom does.

Also I do not see either of you complaining about how Ice Man moves when he solid ice, or colossus when he solid metal and this is far crazier then bones being connected……..because they don’t even have real brains in theses forms, or muscles, or bones ect. There simply either solid metal or solid ice. Or mister fantastic who body is a stretchy rubber, how does he stand let a lone move. There are ton’s of characters with far crazy untold reasons on how they are mobile when there powers would make it impossible.

Jks don’t try and insult me and especially if your bases for doing so is because something about a character in a comic book world you find to be idiotic when it that very world people can fly to the sun with in seconds.

And like before you guys are arguing a proven fact.

Ok you make some good points although I am not convinced by them I doubt whether I am ever going to convice you of the opposite. I think the main issue here is colossus turning into organic metal is part of his stated power set. All we have for wolverines bones being connected is one wrter not understanding basic anatomy and having wolverine iterate that his arms cannot be ripped off becaus they are adamantium NOT because they are connected. Witht he pictures that seem to show the bones being connected that does not mean to say they are it could just be poor or exaggerated art work Examples of this type of thing are: all superheroes where tight lycra and yet (thank fnck!) we cannot see their genetalia outline. Hulk is supposed to be 7-8feet tall and yet he quite often is depicted as nearer 10 feet tall. SO as I say I don't think the point is proven their is some debatable evidence towards your point of view but definitely not proven, but i doubt i or the others can convicne you otherwise

A theory of mine was that Wolverines's adamantium skeleton was not a "skeleton" in the traditional sense, but more or less just a human skeleton bonded to him at a molecular level making it conceivble that his tendons and joints would also be subjected to this molecular bonding and would therefore be almost as unbreakable as adamantium but still able to fuction as tendons normally would, with them just made more durable.

still Ult Hulk is what 616 should be...he just picks wolverines flesh right off his bones

hmm, didn't Ultimate Hulk rip Ultimate Wolverine in half... couldn't he do the same to standard Wolverine?

anyway, regular WWH beat the crap out of Wolverine easy... and he definitely wasn't intent on killing Wolverine but he knew howto (smash the brain inside the adamantium cranium). ruthless amoral Ult. Hulk would destroy the furball almost instantly.

Originally posted by janus77
hmm, didn't Ultimate Hulk rip Ultimate Wolverine in half... couldn't he do the same to standard Wolverine?

anyway, regular WWH beat the crap out of Wolverine easy... and he definitely wasn't intent on killing Wolverine but he knew howto (smash the brain inside the adamantium cranium). ruthless amoral Ult. Hulk would destroy the furball almost instantly.

No, WWH said he couldn't kill Wolverine, it's not that he didn't want to.

And Ult. Wolverine and 616 Wolverine are not exactly the same, as it has been shown Wolverine's bones can not be separated.

But yes, he would lose this fight.

If he wanted to kill him, he could simply disable Wolverine and suck his brain out through his eye sockets. Ult. Hulk is that f'ed up.

Originally posted by redhotrash
If he wanted to kill him, he could simply disable Wolverine and suck his brain out through his eye sockets. Ult. Hulk is that f'ed up.

seconded

Originally posted by Mindset
No, WWH said he couldn't kill Wolverine, it's not that he didn't want to.

And Ult. Wolverine and 616 Wolverine are not exactly the same, as it has been shown Wolverine's bones can not be separated.

But yes, he would lose this fight.

Originally posted by janus77
I vaguely recall something about smashing Wolverine's brains within the adamantium skull, Hulk basically shook him about and then chucked him away, didn't really attempt to kill Wolverine. same with the rest of the X-men, he wasn't out to kill them.

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Originally posted by Master-Borg
it's not a proven fact, please don't spew lies.

Again, when someone has a power that allows them to do something (ie Colossus is organic metal therefore he can move) readers can suspend belief.

however, logan has never been stated to have some weird skeletal connection that does not use tendons or cartilage. His anatomy is basically (except for claws) exactly that of a normal human's....so there is no reason to assume that his joints are somehow different.

His skeletal system I believe has been stated to be bonded at the molecular level...

Likewise to stated powers...if a character consistently shows the ability to do something like shoot lazers out of their ass even though it might not be a stated ability it's still a proven fact that they can do it since they've been shown to multiple times..the same concept applies to Wolvies skeletal structure.

And there is a massive reason to assume such... most of them having already been stated for you by battlehammer... just because you want to ignore them so you can pretend that Logan is more akin to your preffered representation doesn't discount it as good evidence. The man failed to be ripped apart by Hulk in six hours for god's sakes.. there's clearly something different about him.