Aquaman vs. Carnage

Originally posted by Stoic
Well then I guess that they'd both get [b]The Double Butt Shiv, because Carnage would likely be able to invade Aquaman's brain via tendril as easily as Aquaman would be able to perform the hand dehydration maneuver. Can you see it? Mysterious voice from out of the blue says, ready set go.... Carnage scrambles Arthur's brains, and is turned into dust. 😄 [/B]

Except of course, Aquaman has his shields up....as he can also control water. And is next to the sea...

Then of course, Aquaman could also BFR him by opening portals up....

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't know, hence my question.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except of course, Aquaman has his shields up....as he can also control water. And is next to the sea...

Then of course, Aquaman could also BFR him by opening portals up....

First of all who said that Arthur get's a weapon?It's not in the OP. Sooo we're back to the... Mysterious voice from out of the blue says, ready set go.... Carnage scrambles Arthur's brains, and is turned into dust.

Originally posted by Stoic
First of all who said that Arthur get's a weapon?It's not in the OP. Sooo we're back to the... Mysterious voice from out of the blue says, ready set go.... Carnage scrambles Arthur's brains, and is turned into dust.

Op was posted in 2008. Though there was no specification, I assumed it was the current (at the time) Aquaman. Who had the hand of the Waterbearer, IIRC. Check up on what the hand can do.

It can heal mental disorders (potentially healing Cletus)

Form tendrils like Carnage's.

Open portals (thus enabling BFR).

Enable him to control tidal waves and control water.

Amps his strength (which was already pretty formidable) and his TP.

Also, other magical stuff lol.

So whilst OP didn't specifically say 'Aquaman has the hand of the Waterbearer', forum rules say that he has everything that he normally has. And seeing as its, you know, attached to him, and he always carries it (its like saying Hal Jordan vs XXX, but he loses because OP didn't specify he had his ring) I naturally assumed he had it with him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Op was posted in 2008. Though there was no specification, I assumed it was the current (at the time) Aquaman. Who had the hand of the Waterbearer, IIRC. Check up on what the hand can do.

It can heal mental disorders (potentially healing Cletus)

Form tendrils like Carnage's.

Open portals (thus enabling BFR).

Enable him to control tidal waves and control water.

Amps his strength (which was already pretty formidable) and his TP.

Also, other magical stuff lol.

So whilst OP didn't specifically say 'Aquaman has the hand of the Waterbearer', forum rules say that he has everything that he normally has. And seeing as its, you know, attached to him, and he always carries it (its like saying Hal Jordan vs XXX, but he loses because OP didn't specify he had his ring) I naturally assumed he had it with him.

Well while he's deciding which power his hand is going to use, Cletus tells him to speak to the hand, and scrambles the eggs.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well while he's deciding which power his hand is going to use, Cletus tells him to speak to the hand, and scrambles the eggs.

Wow hehe.

So previously, Aquaman wasn't powerful enough to defeat Carnage.

Now, he's too powerful...

Also:

I can see Aquaman beating Carnage a few times maybe even for a majority, but not the way people are trying to make it seem.

That's before you knew what the Water hand could do. Also, back when you still thought Cletus wasn't in the suit.

Since when was the Symbiote of aquatic origin? and when did it suddenly have a basil ganglia for Aquaman to affect?

So you agree that TP (before water hand amp) would be sufficient to attack Cletus, a normal human (before he got the suit, natch) who's just crazy?

The symbiote doesn't need to be marine origin, period.

Also, this is water hand Aquaman? Ouch... Horrific stomp in his favour, big time.

Carnage also has the ability to take possession of his opponent. I'm not seeing this stompage happening in every possible scenario. Thinking that there would be is once again ignoring Carnage's ability to actually do harm to Arthur, we all know that Arthur is not this invulnerable character. His insides are going to resist being destroyed by the tendrils, not when they are capable of piercing solid steel. I'm actually thing that they could penetrate his epidermis.

And move at near bullet speed. Just saying...

I don't see Carnage being able to pose a threat before Aquaman kills him

Originally posted by Stoic
Carnage also has the ability to take possession of his opponent. I'm not seeing this stompage happening in every possible scenario. Thinking that there would be is once again ignoring Carnage's ability to actually do harm to Arthur, we all know that Arthur is not this invulnerable character. His insides are going to resist being destroyed by the tendrils, not when they are capable of piercing solid steel. I'm actually thing that they could penetrate his epidermis.

Arthur's water hand makes him low herald at the very least. He'd wipe the floor with Carnage with that weapon.

Arthur is actually really durable, more-so than he gets credit for. The fact that he lives at the bottom of the ocean proves this (not to mention his other feats). The tendrils might break the skin, but doing any more than that might be difficult.

How does Carnage take possession? Telepathy? Will-power? I don't see either working. Or is it another method?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Arthur is actually really durable, more-so than he gets credit for. The fact that he lives at the bottom of the ocean proves this

Aquaman getting showed through rocks etc. are valid feats though that I don't want to take away from him.

EDIT: Not to mention that I think that this is one of those things taht comics simply ignore like people in outer space without protection don't get their eyes pulled out of their sockets and all and Susan Storm without her shields was also able to simply take these pressures when she visited Namor.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Sorry but that doesn't prove anything, being able to take the high pressure under the sea doesn't mean that your body is that durable, it only means that your inner pressure is the same as in the ocean, the same reason why fishes from these depths die as soon as they go too far up, by your explanation a fish from under the sea can tank bazooka shots.

Aquaman getting showed through rocks etc. are valid feats though that I don't want to take away from him.

EDIT: Not to mention that I think that this is one of those things taht comics simply ignore like people in outer space without protection don't get their eyes pulled out of their sockets and all and Susan Storm without her shields was also able to simply take these pressures when she visited Namor.

Agreed, Pr was simply giving the comic book explanation for his durability - which falls flat as soon as you apply any real world logic to it.

Although saying that, if his organs etc can withstand internal pressure similar to the depths of the ocean, it DOES mean he has pretty durable insides, no?

Plus, that nifty water hand of his would help heal damage...

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Sorry but that doesn't prove anything, being able to take the high pressure under the sea doesn't mean that your body is that durable, it only means that your inner pressure is the same as in the ocean, the same reason why fishes from these depths die as soon as they go too far up, by your explanation a fish from under the sea can tank bazooka shots.

Aquaman getting showed through rocks etc. are valid feats though that I don't want to take away from him.

EDIT: Not to mention that I think that this is one of those things taht comics simply ignore like people in outer space without protection don't get their eyes pulled out of their sockets and all and Susan Storm without her shields was also able to simply take these pressures when she visited Namor.

I wasn't saying it was THE reason. Just part of it. So no, that's not the logic I'm using, but if you wanted to get in to it, he can exist both at at he bottom of the ocean and on dry land, and take massive amounts of pressure both internally and externally. It's why he doesn't implode when injured underwater.

He is THAT durable based on feats, even without considering all that.

Aquaman can survive in space too.