Punisher vs Captain America

Oh ...something else I have always laughed at. It appears as if the shield can absorb concussive force.

LOL.

Think of all the times Cap has held the shield up to a major blast, and not even moved! E.g. that scan of his using the shield as an umbrella against a beam coming from directly above (was it from Galactus). That force, even if blocked, should have crushed him to pancake size! The shield would have been his tomb!

Also, another 'side effect' of the shield is how it seems to get BIGGER when used to block. When he is holding it or throwing it it is normal size, but let's say Cyclops let's lose a major blast, or some other major blast is thrown, and sddenly the shield seems to almost double in size (per the drawing).

Maybe Caps jobber aura extends to his shield ...the amazing superlidicious magnanisudicious expandilacious force-absorbicus wonder-shield!

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No it was not. You could have said recieved MA training with out bringing up capt.

So what? Still related its not like were talking about Spiderman and web shooters. Were talking about MA training.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

also spiderman recieving pure ma training is not what increased his siper senses. The guy train his spider senses directly. MA really had little to do with it.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So what? Still related its not like were talking about Spiderman and web shooters. Were talking about MA training.

Prove it.

So now every time MA is brought up it ok to talk about capt?

Go read the issue. He clearly trains the spider senses. He does not train Spiderman in MA skill and the spider senses keeps improving. He trains the spider senses directly.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
So now every time MA is brought up it ok to talk about capt?

I do it every time? Im pretty sure I could find 100s of posts about MAs without me talking about Cap, sometimes I might bring him up because alot of people aspire to him in terms of H2H.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Go read the issue. He clearly trains the spider senses. He does not train Spiderman in MA skill and the spider senses keeps improving. He trains the spider senses directly.

No I want you to prove it because as far as im concerned i'll probably read it and find out im correct.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I do it every time? Im pretty sure I could find 100s of posts about MAs without me talking about Cap, sometimes I might bring him up because alot of people aspire to him in terms of H2H.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No I want you to prove it because as far as im concerned i'll probably read it and find out im correct.

How would you like me to prove this? you dam well know I don't have a scanner.

I find it amazing that you can saying that I am incorrect about an event that I own and have read, but you have not.

why do you assume you are correct if you have never read it? What basis do you base your claims on?

Ah,Alf Vs Hammer,how i've missed thee.

Originally posted by spetznaz
Oh ...something else I have always laughed at. It appears as if the shield can absorb concussive force.

LOL.

Think of all the times Cap has held the shield up to a major blast, and not even moved! E.g. that scan of his using the shield as an umbrella against a beam coming from directly above (was it from Galactus). That force, even if blocked, should have crushed him to pancake size! The shield would have been his tomb!

Also, another 'side effect' of the shield is how it seems to get BIGGER when used to block. When he is holding it or throwing it it is normal size, but let's say Cyclops let's lose a major blast, or some other major blast is thrown, and sddenly the shield seems to almost double in size (per the drawing).

Maybe Caps jobber aura extends to his shield ...the amazing superlidicious magnanisudicious expandilacious force-absorbicus wonder-shield!

Originally posted by Battlehammer

I find it amazing that you can saying that I am incorrect about an event that I own and have read, but you have not.

why do you assume you are correct if you have never read it? What basis do you base your claims on?

Because even when we both have scans you still dont know what you're talking about. You could at least describe what sort of training he did for his SS.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Because even when we both have scans you still dont know what you're talking about. You could at least describe what sort of training he did for his SS.

sad attempt to insult me. From what I remeber the person around her in accuratly describes events tends to be you.

It complicated. His trainer would attack him randomly every day to strength the sipder senses and over time it got stronger and stronger to the point were he knew his trainer would attack him prior to the trainer knowing.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Your not even making senses.

sad attempt to insult me. From what I remeber the person around her in accuratly describes events tends to be you.

Im doing my best!

Originally posted by Battlehammer

It complicated. His trainer would attack him randomly every day to strength the sipder senses and over time it got stronger and stronger to the point were he knew his trainer would attack him prior to the trainer knowing.

Thats ma training!!!!!!! See what I mean???!!!!!

http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whatifun3.jpg

Thats not MA training???!!! This is a prime example of what im talking about.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im doing my best!

Thats ma training!!!!!!! See what I mean???!!!!!

http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whatifun3.jpg

Thats not MA training???!!! This is a prime example of what im talking about.

It is and is not. Peter not being taught styles he training his spider senses. If he simply was taught straight MA he would not improve his spider sense to the levels he did. His training is all to improve his spider senses not skill.

For example if you simply granted peter a top tier MA skill level his spider senses would remian the same and at best improve slightly.

he not being train in traditional MA styles he beeing trained to improve strictly his sipder senses.

understand what I mean?

how the hell do we always get so off topic lol

Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol

It is and is not. Peter not being taught styles he training his spider senses. If he simply was taught straight MA he would not improve his spider sense to the levels he did. His training is all to improve his spider senses not skill.

For example if you simply granted peter a top tier MA skill level his spider senses would remian the same and at best improve slightly.

he not being train in traditional MA styles he beeing trained to improve strictly his sipder senses.

understand what I mean?

how the hell do we always get so off topic lol

Actually I do but even if he was trained in traditional martial arts he would still improve his spider sense because it involves dealing with suprise attack especially with ninjuitsu. Also in traditional martial arts they teach you meditation which is to do with the mind and his SS is a mental power.

It also say in particular, he was still trained in ma but they focused especially on his ss. So yes its still MA training they just focused on his SS.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Actually I do but even if he was trained in traditional martial arts he would still improve his spider sense because it involves dealing with suprise attack especially with ninjuitsu. Also in traditional martial arts they teach you meditation which is to do with the mind and his SS is a mental power.

It also say in particular, he was still trained in ma but they focused especially on his ss.

Not neccessarily, becuases even though it involves surprize attacks, he gain more improvement from simply patroling then studying MA in terms of spider sense. Ninjuitsu is more about being undetected though they do deal with surprize attacks again it would not amp his spider senses any faster then patrolling would.

meditation is taught in some styles not all. Also it speculation that it would improve ones spider sense. There been know issue in which it been shown to.

He was trained in no real style of combat. He was actual trained more around the lines of a CIA/KGB agent then an MA fighter. It really focused on his spider senses rather then any combat skills or styles.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not neccessarily, becuases even though it involves surprize attacks, he gain more improvement from simply patroling then studying MA in terms of spider sense. Ninjuitsu is more about being undetected though they do deal with surprize attacks again it would not amp his spider senses any faster then patrolling would.

Er Ninjitus involves patrolling and suprise attacks.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

meditation is taught in some styles not all. Also it speculation that it would improve ones spider sense. There been know issue in which it been shown to.

Ok so let me get this straight. Meditation increases the power of the mind, the SS is a mental power and its speculation that it would improve his SS?

Originally posted by Battlehammer

He was trained in no real style of combat. He was actual trained more around the lines of a CIA/KGB agent then an MA fighter. It really focused on his spider senses rather then any combat skills or styles.

LOL KGB training and CIA training involves MA. Im telling you right now its been said that organizations like the CIA take tips from ninjitsu, the reason is obvious because ninjas were alot like secret agents.

Again....it said in particular so they still trained him in ma, they focused on his ss and that was part of his ma training.

battlehammer: honestly tell me something...you made this thread to lure us out right?

Originally posted by Sado22
battlehammer: honestly tell me something...you made this thread to lure us out right?

I mean alf responded like I thought he would.

I just thought it was interesting match.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

I got worses problems with other memebers.

like who? 😕

None of your concern.

seems you have lots of problems. the world isn't as mean as one might like to think. what goes around comes around. you having a problem with almost everyone means that there is something about you that needs to change.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
seems you have lots of problems. the world isn't as mean as one might like to think. what goes around comes around. you having a problem with almost everyone means that there is something about you that needs to change.

~Sado

Man people on this forum like me and get along with my self.