Originally posted by Gideon
While it seems apparent that Darth Malak could overcome Darth Maul in a contest of Force powers, a much more cogent and logical argument would have to be made to suggest that Malak is superior to Maul in a strict contest of lightsabers
Agreed. Nothing indicates Malak is the superior duelist.
Originally posted by 0°Mandalore°0
Agreed. Nothing indicates Malak is the superior duelist.
Correct.
But I mean, what the hell? It's not as though those who make a naked claim aren't obligated to prove it or supply evidence so as to accurately map the route by which they used to get across LogicLand. Besides, Malak's got two things going for him that Maul doesn't; first, he's tall and second, Malak is from KotOR and we all know that video games > movies (KotOR even moreso).
Originally posted by Gideon
Correct.But I mean, what the hell? It's not as though those who make a naked claim aren't obligated to prove it or supply evidence so as to accurately map the route by which they used to get across LogicLand. Besides, Malak's got two things going for him that Maul doesn't; first, he's tall and second, Malak is from KotOR and we all know that video games > movies (KotOR even moreso).
You must definitely be one of the most intelligent debaters of these forums.... correct?
I read some of your posts in the thread where you debate Janus Marius, as well as other (older) ones from different debates. Those analysis and observation abilities are not those of a person with an average (or even slightly-above-the-average) IQ.
Originally posted by Gideon
Correct.But I mean, what the hell? It's not as though those who make a naked claim aren't obligated to prove it or supply evidence so as to accurately map the route by which they used to get across LogicLand. Besides, Malak's got two things going for him that Maul doesn't; first, he's tall and second, Malak is from KotOR and we all know that video games > movies (KotOR even moreso).
Hmm.. touche.
Darth Maul is one of the most highly trained Sith in the history of the Order.-- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 51.
Good for him. I'm glad training makes a Sith better than a tried-and-true Sith Lord who is "legendary" in his own time. Yoda was arguably more trained than Sidious, yet he was unable to overcome him. Apparently, just having training doesn't substantiate being a better duellist.
Pushing his physical and Force-assisted abilities to the utmost, Darth Maul built and uses a double-bladed lightsaber as his primary weapon.-- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 51
Good for him. I'm sure Maul's physical and Force-assisted abilities can be substantiated in this light when comparing him with another fighter.
The present Sith Master, Darth Sidious, is the diabolically brilliant mind behind the training of one of the most dangerous Sith apprentices in history: the deadly Darth Maul.-- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 50.
Good for him. I'm happy that Maul is amongst the ranks of some of the deadliest Sith apprentices. Keyword there. He's not listed in the top five Sith Lords, or ranking head and shoulders above X amount of Sith in the Order's history. He's good. Very good. But better than Malak? Doubt it.
As far as I know Malak has most likely killed many Mandalorians in the war. But he did get struck down by Manadalore on his initial attack on the Arkanian Legacy,Loses his jaw at some point,he fights Revan on the leviathan and that fight never come to a conclusion and loses to Revan on the star forge. But he does have physical strength as an advantage and arguably has more experience.
Originally posted by Janus Marius Good for him. I'm glad training makes a Sith better than a tried-and-true Sith Lord who is "legendary" in his own time. Yoda was arguably more trained than Sidious, yet he was unable to overcome him. Apparently, just having training doesn't substantiate being a better duellist.
How cute; a suggestion that Darth Malak's "legendary" status during the Old Republic-era is somehow a counter to the statement (issued by the omniscient narrator) in reference to Maul's obscenely difficult and monstrous training. Sadly, your analogy fails. First, the only person to ever survive an actual fight to the death with Darth Maul would be Obi-Wan Kenobi -- who fought him once. He only had one "peer", Darth Sidious, who rarely spoke of him or made reference to him. In short, unlike Malak, there is little opportunity for Maul to achieve "legendary" status amongst his peers and fans -- simply because he had few of either. Eric Clapton and Jimi Hendrix are regarded as "legendary!!1!" by everyone who carries a decent knowledge of music; Neal Schon and Steve Vai are lesser-known and unlegendary, yet Clapton admits he's not as technically versed and as skilled as Schon or Vai. Fame, infamy, "legendary" status =/= talent, Janus.
Raise your game or get off the court.
Good for him. I'm sure Maul's physical and Force-assisted abilities can be substantiated in this light when comparing him with another fighter.
Certainly. Maul was trained from infancy by a master with considerably higher standards and harsher tests. Malak? Not so much. Maul was trained from infancy in various martial arts and physical disciplines? Malak was a big guy. Maul spent twenty-something years being indoctrinated in Sith teachings and combat. Malak? Five, six years? Sorry, Janus. Only in KotOR Fantasy Land would that somehow tip in Malak's favor. Training, education, and standard of education clearly go to Maul. 😉
Good for him. I'm happy that Maul is amongst the ranks of some of the deadliest Sith apprentices. Keyword there. He's not listed in the top five Sith Lords, or ranking head and shoulders above X amount of Sith in the Order's history.
As Nai said, this list of "apprentices" would also include Darth Bane, Darth Zannah, Darth Sidious, Count Dooku, Darth Vader, and Darth Plagueis. And Darth Malak as well. 😉
He's good. Very good. But better than Malak? Doubt it.
"Harhar!!1! Malak is bettr becaz I think so!1!!1"
Nice try, Janus. When you perform a common courtesy by providing proof, we'll talk. The burden of proof is on you, my friend, and you're failing.