Originally posted by Mr Parker
you can say that again. 😆 🤣 😆 😆 well the one comment about Kim Basinger not being an annoying lead is a good point.the rest is incredibly hysterical though. well looks like we now know who the Burton/Keaton apologist is.
And that makes me a Burton/Keaton apologist... how? 😬
Ooh, tough call. Batman Begins is so good and Christian Bale is an amazing Batman who actually makes him interesting, something Val Kilmer and George Clooney couldn't do. But movie-wise, the first hour is so slow and Katie Holmes ranks right up there with Kim Basinger on annoying female lead, although Katie does sport a fun taser.
Michael Keaton was a good Batman, probably the closest to Bob Kane's original idea of Batman, but the movie is so Joker-centered to the point that it was he [SPOILER ALERT] killed Bruce's parents.
But speaking of parents...the dad in Batman Begins is grating and I got tired of the Father Knows Best perfect dad concept where the mom is completely shoved to the side.
I'm still going with Batman Begins.
Originally posted by willofthewispWell, it's a sort of boys thing though I guess. In the Comics it's mostly his dad as well that's portrayed I think.
Ooh, tough call. Batman Begins is so good and Christian Bale is an amazing Batman who actually makes him interesting, something Val Kilmer and George Clooney couldn't do. But movie-wise, the first hour is so slow and Katie Holmes ranks right up there with Kim Basinger on annoying female lead, although Katie does sport a fun taser.Michael Keaton was a good Batman, probably the closest to Bob Kane's original idea of Batman, but the movie is so Joker-centered to the point that it was he [SPOILER ALERT] killed Bruce's parents.
But speaking of parents...the dad in Batman Begins is grating and I got tired of the Father Knows Best perfect dad concept where the mom is completely shoved to the side.
I'm still going with Batman Begins.
Oh also, Michael Caine was an amazing Alfred.
These movies are completely different to me. The tone of each film is separated by such a vast contrast. Where the original Batman had corny gadgets and moments it was completely accepted by the direction of the movie. Where Batman begins was corny and over the top, it hurt the film due to the realistic direction. I think they are both very well made. Although i prefer Begins over Batman, I think Burtons Batman is far more memorable. Just as i think Bale made for a better Batman, i think Keaton Had the better screen presence. The strangling gaze that Keaton gave as Batman was perfect. Although, when Bale was interrogating Bullock and went all nutty, I felt as though that is how batman always should have been.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
BATMAN BEGINS-the one and only true batman movie that doesnt deserve to be burned was NEVER corny and over the top.
So, batman driving around on roof tops, summoning a horde of bats using a bat calling device and having the commissioner take controls of a highly advanced military vehicle is not corny or over the top?
Originally posted by ragesRemorseI'd accept the whole chase as being kinda corny. The rest was mostly great and awesome though.
So, batman driving around on roof tops, summoning a horde of bats using a bat calling device and having the commissioner take controls of a highly advanced military vehicle is not corny or over the top?
I am not calling these scenes to trial. Even though they stick out like a sore thumb to me when compared to the rest of the film, i think they were well done.
I know the whole bat scene is something directly from the comic books and im sure Nolan chose to do it because he thought it would offer a great visual effect. He took a risk with it and it paid off. It is a fairly cool scene, but it still takes me out of the movie and forces me to ask...,"thats the best he could come up with...,calling bats?"
The tumbler is to badass that im not even going to criticize the rooftop chase and the commissioner thing. It worked and thats all that counts. For me to pick on these scenes is purely nit picking on a movie i love.
As for the original batman. I can see why people wouldn't like it, but i dont know why you would call it garbage. It was very well done and helped Batman a great deal. The movie was very stylistic. The style and tone chosen for the movie is so strong that you are either going to love it or hate it. Comic books were viewed as a joke, something for children before Burtons' Batman. He gave us something serious, dark and ambitious. He showed that there are genuinely good stories to be told in the comic world and brought some respect to them...,even if Burton had never read a batman comic in his life 😉 I remember that the Batman comics became more mature and bit more gritty after Burtons Batman
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Batman Begins was completely "meh" imo.The fight scenes, in particular, sucked penultimate ass. The whole "blur everything so you know what it's like to fight Batman" was complete bullshit.
Batman 89' wins purely on having better fight scenes and a not quite as annoying female lead.
Agreed. I like Batman Begins but Bale absolutely showed no fighting skills until he met up with the punks in TDK. Even then he had a hard time with the Joker.
However I do feel that Bale should win but base on the two movies, Keaton wins. As for Parker's comment about Batman having issues with the goon, let us remember that Batman just experience a plan crash and could barely walk. What is Bale's excuse for having issues fighting the Joker in TDK?