challenge to all christians

Originally posted by Chickenlover98

prove that love can exist without chemicals and hormones. otherwise you admit god has some influence and is therefore not perfect

According to the Holy Bible, human beings were made in the image of God; more specifically, addressing the core issue, human beings have consciences. We human beings are spiritual. Human beings are not merely "machines"--so to speak--computing stimulus. Human beings have the capacity to question and reason, not to mention "experience" cause and effect; joy and happiness--love too--produces certain chemical reactions in the human nervous system. But, we human beings, are not machines. Human beings actually "experience" stimulus. For instance, you know what it is like to be you. Do computers? No! Computers merely compute stimulus. Computers are not alive. Do you understand? Human beings--in every day life--make decisions based upon the conscience; many would argue that this point to the supernatural. But that is a different conversation all together. Or is it?

Originally posted by ushomefree

[size=3]According to the Holy Bible, human beings were made in the image of God; more specifically, addressing the core issue, human beings have consciences. We human beings are spiritual. Human beings are not merely "machines"--so to speak--computing stimulus. Human beings have the capacity to question and reason, not to mention "experience" cause and effect; joy and happiness--love too--produces certain chemical reactions in the human nervous system. But, we human beings, are not machines. Human beings actually "experience" stimulus. For instance, you know what it is like to be you. Do computers? No! Computers merely compute stimulus. Computers are not alive. Do you understand? Human beings--in every day life--make decisions based upon the conscience; many would argue that this point to the supernatural. But that is a different conversation all together. Or is it?

Originally posted by Chickenlover98
im gonna destroy ur computer argument in about 1 line. scientists will make it possibl to download your brain in within 10 years. we experience thing through reactions chemicals or not. and if we were made in gods image god must have a shitload of flaws

Okay... look... first of all, we are not God; we are merely creations of God--in His image, as I said. All that stipulates--in a nut shell--is that you and I are not robots. We have free will, "experience" life, and understand the meaning of intrinsic value; we all value ourselves. This has nothing to do with "capabilities!" Anyway, back to the point, computers, for example, do not experience life--calculations and commands. They are dead--non-living. Computers will never be able to vote (ha ha ha)! And by the way... the root of you first comment is a bit short-sighted. Scientists will never be able to "download" your thoughts and emotions. Why you actually entertain the notion is beside me. Scientists, in the future, will be able to better "map" brain activity, but that is about as exotic as it gets. Where do you get this information from?

Originally posted by ushomefree
Okay... look... first of all, we are not God; we are merely creations of God--in His image, as I said. All that stipulates--in a nut shell--is that you and I are not robots. We have free will, "experience" life, and understand the meaning of intrinsic value; we all value ourselves. Computers, for example, do not experience life--calculations and commands. They are dead--non-living. Computers will never be able to vote (ha ha ha)! And by the way... the root of you first comment is a bit short-sighted. Scientists will never be able to "download" your thoughts and emotions. Why you actually entertain the notion is beside me. Scientists, in the future, will be able to better "map" brain activity, but that is about as exotic as it gets. Where do you get this information from?

Originally posted by Chickenlove98
we dont have free will. not if theres a god. my info? oh ya know prominent technology sites/magazines. you would know right? just because you dont think it will happen doesnt mean it wont. go to engadget.com and search downloading brain or something similar. or google it for christ sakes

Well, if human beings do not have free will, how were you able to write me back, or even open this thread for the matter?

Originally posted by ushomefree
Well, if human beings do not have free will, how were you able to write me back, or even open this thread for the matter?

Originally posted by chickenlover98
let me put it this way. if god is all knowing, then he knows what we are going to do before we do it, from the moment of our birth. therefore we are INSTANTLY condemned to heaven or hell. therefore free will doesnt matter.

Exactly. Why would he create us and give us the chance to fail or succeed by measurements set by Eternal Laws IF he knew the outcome before he organized our spirits?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Exactly. Why would he create us and give us the chance to fail or succeed by measurements set by Eternal Laws IF he knew the outcome before he organized our spirits?

Guys, I understand the premise; I really do. However, having knowledge on one's course of action, does not warrant that he/she does not have free will. The "action" was not "forced."

Originally posted by ushomefree
Guys, I understand the premise; I really do. However, having knowledge on one's course of action, does not warrant that he/she does not have free will. The "action" was not "forced."

Originally posted by Chickenlover98
im gonna use a simple argument here. if we create bunnies in a testube then proceed to torture them for no reason it is unjust right? god creates us with the knowledge of our condemnation. therefore he is no different. he is condemning us to torture

First and foremost, hell is not a torture chamber; hell is "separation from God--from all that matters." Period. The Bible describes hell as a place of eternal fire and torment. Anyone who has read the Bible--and has made effort to study the meaning of such--knows that "fire" commonly refers to eternal "judgement," not a bunsen burner. The torment aspect describes one's spiritual/mental state. All who dwell in hell realize that they have sinned against God, the one who they owe their entire existence to. And God, being holy and pure, not to mention a judge, has not choice but to punish evil. If God did not do such, it would go against God's very nature and being! To put this into perspective, it would be, for example, you having anal sex with a 10 year old boy. You would never--ever!--commit or give in to such nonsense. If you did so, however, you would be, in retrospect, denying yourself and all that you stand for. Understand? In any case, God being our creator--our designer--knows what is best for us; hence God's commandments. Jesus summed all the commandments in one sentence by saying: "Love thy neighbor as thyself." Such commandments were in our best interest to experience life to the fullest, not to be a bully or a kid with a magnifying glass burning ants. But yes, God did know that you and I could not be perfect; we are not God (or Gods). If you had read the Hebrew Bible, you'd know that God knew this in advance; hence Jesus the Christ to redeem mankind--in faith--to have eternal life in heaven. It ain't a raw deal, and God did all the work for you and I. God took the punishment upon Himself! Jesus' last words were: "It is complete."

Originally posted by ushomefree
First and foremost, hell is not a torture chamber; hell is "separation from God--from all that matters." Period. The Bible describes hell as a place of eternal fire and torment. Anyone who has read the Bible--and has made effort to study the meaning of such--knows that "fire" commonly refers to eternal "judgement," not a bunsen burner. The torment aspect describes one's spiritual/mental state. All who dwell in hell realize that they have sinned against God, the one who they owe their entire existence to. And God, being holy and pure, not to mention a judge, has not choice but to punish evil. If God did not do such, it would go against God's very nature and being! To put this into perspective, it would be, for example, you having anal sex with a 10 year old boy. You would never--ever!--commit or give in to such nonsense. If you did so, however, you would be, in retrospect, denying yourself and all that you stand for. Understand? In any case, God being our creator--our designer--knows what is best for us; hence God's commandments. Jesus summed all the commandments in one sentence by saying: "Love thy neighbor as thyself." Such commandments were in our best interest to experience life to the fullest, not to be a bully or a kid with a magnifying glass burning ants. But yes, God did know that you and I could not be perfect; we are not God (or Gods). If you had read the Hebrew Bible, you'd know that God knew this in advance; hence Jesus the Christ to redeem mankind--in faith--to have eternal life in heaven. It ain't a raw deal, and God did all the work for you and I. God took the punishment upon Himself! Jesus' last words were: "It is complete."

Hell is only in your mind. 😉

Originally posted by ushomefree
First and foremost, hell is not a torture chamber; hell is "separation from God--from all that matters." Period. The Bible describes hell as a place of eternal fire and torment. Anyone who has read the Bible--and has made effort to study the meaning of such--knows that "fire" commonly refers to eternal "judgement," not a bunsen burner. The torment aspect describes one's spiritual/mental state. All who dwell in hell realize that they have sinned against God, the one who they owe their entire existence to. And God, being holy and pure, not to mention a judge, has not choice but to punish evil. If God did not do such, it would go against God's very nature and being! To put this into perspective, it would be, for example, you having anal sex with a 10 year old boy. You would never--ever!--commit or give in to such nonsense. If you did so, however, you would be, in retrospect, denying yourself and all that you stand for. Understand? In any case, God being our creator--our designer--knows what is best for us; hence God's commandments. Jesus summed all the commandments in one sentence by saying: "Love thy neighbor as thyself." Such commandments were in our best interest to experience life to the fullest, not to be a bully or a kid with a magnifying glass burning ants. But yes, God did know that you and I could not be perfect; we are not God (or Gods). If you had read the Hebrew Bible, you'd know that God knew this in advance; hence Jesus the Christ to redeem mankind--in faith--to have eternal life in heaven. It ain't a raw deal, and God did all the work for you and I. God took the punishment upon Himself! Jesus' last words were: "It is complete."

EDIT: and further more, my point is that just cause god created us does not give him the right to do whatever he wants to us

Me and my toaster love eachother, and my toaster doesn't have chemicals or any of that bullshit. 😐

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Me and my toaster love eachother, and my toaster doesn't have chemicals or any of that bullshit. 😐

Originally posted by chickenlover98
**** yo toaster nigga

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Niggaplulz.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
im gonna use a simple argument here. if we create bunnies in a testube then proceed to torture them for no reason it is unjust right? god creates us with the knowledge of our condemnation. therefore he is no different. he is condemning us to torture

There is a difference. The difference is we aren't willing to sacrifice our lives to help those bunnies.

Or at least I'm not, even though I have had a few affectionate relationships...

Please don't make comments like that, Chickenlover. I know they were in jest, but they can offend someone.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Please don't make comments like that, Chickenlover. I know they were in jest, but they can offend someone.