Deathstroke vs. Sabertooth

Originally posted by jinzin
I guess it makes no difference that Sabretooth had been heavily drugged before the fight and knocked into being electricuted before the train stop.

No it doesn't matter, not when you have a healing factor. And do you have the scans where it shows he was drugged, also Ms Marvel was the one who caused him to be electrocuted...

Fact is he tried to pass off a feat as being something it wasn't, he said Sabertooth had made Ms Marvel tired when actually it was the train she stopped. Also from her dialog it looks like she was fairly new to her powers, she didn't even know what she was capable of.

Originally posted by jinzin
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She was shoulder pressing 60+ tons at the time.

Getting hit by trains and re-entering orbit without getting KOed...

that was well after the fight had started.. 😬

Any scans of Rogue from that era to back up your claims?

Yes you're right, that was after she had been kicking Sabertooth's ass around and stopped a train. 🙄

And even if he did sucker punch Rogue and beat her, and even if she was Class 60+ that doesn't mean it wasn't PIS. Spiderman beat Firelord, I guess that means he is a lot stronger than Sabertooth.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Green Arrow. ✅

Errr? He didn't beat Slade physically and he had a crap load of prep

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Errr? He didn't beat Slade physically and he had a crap load of prep

Then I was lied to................ 😠

Originally posted by Mindset
No it doesn't matter, not when you have a healing factor. And do you have the scans where it shows he was drugged, also Ms Marvel was the one who caused him to be electrocuted...

Fact is he tried to pass off a feat as being something it wasn't, he said Sabertooth had made Ms Marvel tired when actually it was the train she stopped. Also from her dialog it looks like she was fairly new to her powers, she didn't even know what she was capable of.

It was 25 issues into her series.. New to her powers? Hardly.

The drugs are talked about in a story preceeding this one when Sabretooth is captured.

And yes, while Mrs. Marvel caused Sabes' electrocution it's no less a plot device than the train.

Likewise you could say it was encountering Sabes that forced her into having to stop the train. And, it's just as much speculation to state that the train feat made her tired as it is to say it was Sabretooth since she never attributes it to either.. she does however comment on it after slugging it out with Sabretooth and not after the train stop so it's not unreasonable to say it was him that did it.

She flat out states that she's slowing down during the FIGHT, not beforehand.

Originally posted by Mindset
Any scans of Rogue from that era to back up your claims?

Yes you're right, that was after she had been kicking Sabertooth's ass around and stopped a train. 🙄

And even if he did sucker punch Rogue and beat her, and even if she was Class 60+ that doesn't mean it wasn't PIS. Spiderman beat Firelord, I guess that means he is a lot stronger than Sabertooth.

They're around somewhere.

But is it really worth it for me to go searching through 50 some comics just to find a scan of something that should be common knowledge?

Spiderman beat Firelord using a whole lot of plot devices, over the course of time that was implied to last a long while. Sabretooth beat Rogue in three straight punches.. kinda different if you ask me.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Then I was lied to................ 😠

He brought in the National Guard sniper division, set traps and modified his equipment to get the advantage and he still didn't beat him physically.

Originally posted by jinzin
It was 25 issues into her series.. New to her powers? Hardly.

The drugs are talked about in a story preceeding this one when Sabretooth is captured.

And yes, while Mrs. Marvel caused Sabes' electrocution it's no less a plot device than the train.

Likewise you could say it was encountering Sabes that forced her into having to stop the train. And, it's just as much speculation to state that the train feat made her tired as it is to say it was Sabretooth since she never attributes it to either.. she does however comment on it after slugging it out with Sabretooth and not after the train stop so it's not unreasonable to say it was him that did it.

She flat out states that she's slowing down during the FIGHT, not beforehand.

Lmao, you are hilarious.

It says that she thinks that she is insane to try to stop the train, which means she was unsure if she could do it or not, which implies she did not the extent of her powers, that's what I meant.

No, it is not speculation to say the train made her tired, she was tossing Sabertooth around easily before the train came, she even koed him. Then the train came and slammed her into a pile of concrete and steel and she is hurt.

So let's think for a second. Before the train she was beating Sabertooth w/o too much trouble and even knocked him out, after the train he was shrugging her punches off.
🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
They're around somewhere.

But is it really worth it for me to go searching through 50 some comics just to find a scan of something that should be common knowledge?

Spiderman beat Firelord using a whole lot of plot devices, over the course of time that was implied to last a long while. Sabretooth beat Rogue in three straight punches.. kinda different if you ask me.

Yea it is different. Spiderman beat a herald, Sabertooth sucker punched Rogue. 🙄

Both of these feats happened only once, and I don't recall Sabertooth beating class 60 people on a regular basis, so both can be claimed as pis.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He brought in the National Guard sniper division, set traps and modified his equipment to get the advantage and he still didn't beat him physically.

I was told he trained for a year or so with all sorts of weapons masters and martial artists, and then went back and handed DS his ass.

Why would they tell me such a thing, Mungi.......? 🙁

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I was told he trained for a year or so with all sorts of weapons masters and martial artists, and then went back and handed DS his ass.

Why would they tell me such a thing, Mungi.......? 🙁

*Shrugs* The fight is in the Green Arrow respect thread if you want to see it.

Unless they fought later that I don't know about *shrugs*

Originally posted by Mindset
Lmao, you are hilarious.

It says that she thinks that she is insane to try to stop the train, which means she was unsure if she could do it or not, which implies she did not the extent of her powers, that's what I meant.

Yeah.. And?

Spiderman was unsure if his powers were capible enough to handle loads of crisis situations hundreds of issues into his career.. It doesn't equate to him being completely unfamiliar with his powers does it?

Originally posted by Mindset
No, it is not speculation to say the train made her tired, she was tossing Sabertooth around easily before the train came, she even koed him. Then the train came and slammed her into a pile of concrete and steel and she is hurt.

😐

She at no point KOed Sabretooth until the fight was officially over... And yes it is speculation seeing how she makes no comment on being slower until she gets into the slugfest.

Originally posted by Mindset
So let's think for a second. Before the train she was beating Sabertooth w/o too much trouble and even knocked him out, after the train he was shrugging her punches off.
🙄

He was shrugging her off before the train too.. I don't see what that proves. And beating Sabretooth without much trouble? She had, at best, ONE legitimate hit after getting the jump on him in the tunnel. Not exactly representative of his capabilities... 😐

You're failing.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea it is different. Spiderman beat a herald, Sabertooth sucker punched Rogue. 🙄

Sabretooth WTFKOed Rogue in three consecutive punches.

They're completely different examples.. and while the Spiderfeat's only happened the once....

Originally posted by Mindset
Both of these feats happened only once, and I don't recall Sabertooth beating class 60 people on a regular basis, so both can be claimed as pis.

🙄

Right, except that:
Aside from Rogue Sabretooth's put down Samson a superhumanly strong morlock.

Beat up on Killpower, a guy who stalemated Hercules in arm wrestling.

Downed Sasquatch with one hit (Back off Mungi!), and laughed off his punches to the face afterwards.

Made a fur coat out of the god-damned WENDIGO!

Has since shrugged off Rogues punches on not one but two occassions, drove her insane on one occasion, wrapped her up in chains on another, and flat out killed the dogs of war (after re-entry from earth's orbit), a group of monsters who themselves put rogue down with ease.

We need some more?

He stomped Omega Red who's tooled Collosus, even WITH his death spores in action.

He helped fight off juggernaught for an indefinite period of time.

He shrugged off superboys full on speed blitz punch in a crossover.

and even his AOA counterpart ripped Holocaust's corporial form apart, a feat thought utterly impossible...

As for your whole nonsense comparison to spiderman, yeah, Sabretooth's owned him.. TWICE. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah.. And?

Spiderman was unsure if his powers were capible enough to handle loads of crisis situations hundreds of issues into his career.. It doesn't equate to him being completely unfamiliar with his powers does it?

😐

She at no point KOed Sabretooth until the fight was officially over... And yes it is speculation seeing how she makes no comment on being slower until she gets into the slugfest.

Well, I've already BEEN thinking, but if YOU wanna start now go right ahead.

He was shrugging her off before the train too.. I don't see what that proves. And beating Sabretooth without much trouble? She had, at best, ONE legitimate hit after getting the jump on him in the tunnel. Not exactly representative of his capabilities... 😐

You're failing.

Before the train she was not tired at all, so you're telling me being slammed into debris by a train didn't make her tired at all? As soon as the fight started with Sabertooth after she had stopped the train she said she was running on grit alone. Common sense.

Originally posted by Mindset
SO I guess Sabertooth was just taking a nap.

Or knocked down... since you know.. he's no where to be found a second later.

Originally posted by Mindset
Before the train she was not tired at all, so you're telling me being slammed into debris by a train didn't make her tired at all?

Originally posted by Mindset
As soon as the fight started with Sabertooth after she had stopped the train she said she was running on grit alone. Common sense.

He's slipping through my gaurd more and more..
common sense right?

Impeccable arguing there Jinzin, let's see what we've got.

- Using the AoA version of Sabretooth
- Using a crossover
- Using the most PIS ridden comic book ever written
- Using out of context scans

Wow, I dare say you almost qualify for the Quanchi award.

Originally posted by llagrok
Impeccable arguing there Jinzin, let's see what we've got.

- Using the AoA version of Sabretooth

Originally posted by llagrok
- Using a crossover

Which has since been referenced in both universes and wasn't fan voted. 😐

Originally posted by llagrok
- Using the most PIS ridden comic book ever written
- Using out of context scans

Originally posted by llagrok
Wow, I dare say you almost qualify for the Quanchi award.

And I dare say you're as much a dick as you ever were.. do they give awards for that?

Originally posted by jinzin
What? open season? Yeah, that's pretty damned argueable.

Really? 😬

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Really? 😬

that it's the most PIS filled book ever written?

I would think so. 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
that it's the most PIS filled book ever written?

I would think so. 😕

Oh haha, then I agree with you. It certainly had a lot of PIS, but I have seen worse.