Originally posted by DigiMark007
But as long as religion decides to play moral policeman on our youth, they'll be increasing the totals of impoverished young women, unwanted babies, as well as increasing the totals of those pesky abortions they're always out to stop too.
I seriously object to generalizing the ridiculous number of religions in the world like that 😬
Originally posted by Tim RoutBut that's where Abortion comes in. Saving girl's futures since 10 000 BC.
I think you've hit the nail right on the head! You're right. Abstinence isn't much fun.But if we consider how unwed pregnancy can destroy a girl's whole future -- not to mention the risk of deadly STDs -- it seems ridiculous to promote a "safer sex" approach that is anything BUT safe. Abstinance can work. I interact with people every day who live it.
As a Pastor, I am also the one who most frequently cares for couples who didn't wait for marriage and are now paying the price as their relationship comes unglued. The deal is simple enough: Play now, and pay later. Or pay now, and play for the rest of your life in the godly wonderland of biblical marriage.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I seriously object to generalizing the ridiculous number of religions in the world like that 😬
Clearly it targets Christian campaigns to abolish birth control, both in this country and in the Third World where it could also potentially stem the tide of disease. If it would have helped to say Christianity instead of religion, feel free to insert it in your reading of the passage.
In any case, if a particular religion has nothing to say about birth control, I clearly wasn't talking about it. It's only in your mind where you decided I was arbitrarily grouping all religions together regardless of their stance. You're somehow assuming bigotry and generalization when I'm speaking to a specific issue.
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Originally posted by DigiMark007
Clearly it targets Christian campaigns to abolish birth control, both in this country and in the Third World where it could also potentially stem the tide of disease. If it would have helped to say Christianity instead of religion, feel free to insert it in your reading of the passage.In any case, if a particular religion has nothing to say about birth control, I clearly wasn't talking about it. It's only in your mind where you decided I was arbitrarily grouping all religions together regardless of their stance. You're somehow assuming bigotry and generalization when I'm speaking to a specific issue.
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While some religious persons might be interested in banning birth control, few Protestants hold this view. As an evangelical Christian, I have no problem with birth control when it is used by a married couple. I DO have a problem with teaching unwed teens that it's ok to have sex outside marriage.
Some say abstinence instruction doesn't work because teens go ahead and "do it" anyway; however, my support for abstinence based instruction is not chiefly pragmatic, but rather moral. I am responsible for the standards I teach, not for the behavior of my students. And those students who listen to God's truth and abstain from sex until marriage, have a 0% chance of experiencing unwed pregnancy, and an exceptionally low chance of catching a disease. Abstinence works when adopted. "Safer sex" is nothing more than an unsafe compromise.
Originally posted by chithappens
Reminds me of an excerpt from a poem I wrote recently:[B]I believe that when “terrorists” really want
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To kill us all, it won’t be anthrax
That is the downfall of the United States
But some STD capable of causing
Spontaneous, Instantaneous combustion.
I believe it is certain to spread coast to coast
Cause men would choose death
Over celibacy like certain crustaceans -
Tis’ a cruel fate.
Don't give up your day job.
Re: Re: Re: Sex Ed
Originally posted by DigiMark007
...and clearly that accounts for a third of the population becoming pregnant.🙄
Well, that one link posted said 75 out of a thousand for 15-18, right?
Then we can assume that from 11-15 (but not including the age of 15) there are pregnancies as well.
Personally, I thought that statistic was 1 out of 10..but it could be more than that. I think 1 out of 3 is much too many, though.
My opinion:
Sex Ed. can realize success if you tell the kids to have safe sex IF they are going to have sex.
Originally posted by Tim Rout
While some religious persons might be interested in banning birth control, few Protestants hold this view. As an evangelical Christian, I have no problem with birth control when it is used by a married couple. I DO have a problem with teaching unwed teens that it's ok to have sex outside marriage.Some say abstinence instruction doesn't work because teens go ahead and "do it" anyway; however, my support for abstinence based instruction is not chiefly pragmatic, but rather moral. I am responsible for the standards I teach, not for the behavior of my students. And those students who listen to God's truth and abstain from sex until marriage, have a 0% chance of experiencing unwed pregnancy, and an exceptionally low chance of catching a disease. Abstinence works when adopted. "Safer sex" is nothing more than an unsafe compromise.
With all love, admiration, and respect: As a pastor you have far more important work to do in people's lives teaching, modeling, and showing truth, than sitting here trying to convert/teach people online.
Trust me, with almost 4 years as a KMC member, I can tell you: you're barking up the wrong tree. 😛
The best you can hope is to give an encouraging word, or a testimony of God's healing (both of which I've done, numerous times) or something of that nature, watch them laugh and call you a liar, and hope that you've planted a seed that will be watered by somebody else later on.
It's up to God to change people, we can't do it.
Blessings. 😎
Originally posted by Tim RoutSome say abstinence instruction doesn't work because teens go ahead and "do it" anyway; however, my support for abstinence based instruction is not chiefly pragmatic, but rather moral. I am responsible for the standards I teach, not for the behavior of my students. And those students who listen to God's truth and abstain from sex until marriage, have a 0% chance of experiencing unwed pregnancy, and an exceptionally low chance of catching a disease. Abstinence works when adopted. "Safer sex" is nothing more than an unsafe compromise.
Unless a child is leading a life as a hermit starting in a cave to become the next Batman, they will likely come across sexual situations.
Why do you say abstience works with adoption?
Originally posted by Tim Rout
And those students who listen to God's truth and abstain from sex until marriage, have a 0% chance of experiencing unwed pregnancy, and an exceptionally low chance of catching a disease. Abstinence works when adopted.
So you do not believe that Mary was the virgin mother of Christ?
Originally posted by chithappens
Unless a child is leading a life as a hermit starting in a cave to become the next Batman, they will likely come across sexual situations.
Batman has a son.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you do not believe that Mary was the virgin mother of Christ?
I believe Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus. She was impregnated by the Holy Spirit [Luke 1:35]. It was a miracle. That said, I do not hold the Roman Catholic view that Mary remained a virgin thereafter. She and Joseph had other children [Mark 3:32].
Now then, what does this have to do with sex ed?
Originally posted by Mark Question
Abstinence is not realistic. Sexual education is important.
It sounds like you are implying that abstinence is a form of ignorance. What are you really talking about?
Originally posted by Tim Rout
I think you've hit the nail right on the head! You're right. Abstinence isn't much fun.
Sorry to pounce on a statement you aren't even endorsing, but I think that's a common misconception. I abstain from sexual behavior and I don't feel like I'm missing anything. I don't really expect anyone else on this forum to agree...but God gave us the means to keep his commandments and enjoy life at the same time.
Originally posted by King Kandy
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆Biggest bullshit I have seen out of you Tim... just when you were starting to seem very reasonable.
You aren't very religious, so I can understand why you don't believe it...but the concept isn't actually that weird. God's works are of perfection in every other aspect of life. Why not marriage? It's one of the most important parts of his plan.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
With all love, admiration, and respect: As a pastor you have far more important work to do in people's lives teaching, modeling, and showing truth, than sitting here trying to convert/teach people online.Trust me, with almost 4 years as a KMC member, I can tell you: you're barking up the wrong tree. 😛
The best you can hope is to give an encouraging word, or a testimony of God's healing (both of which I've done, numerous times) or something of that nature, watch them laugh and call you a liar, and hope that you've planted a seed that will be watered by somebody else later on.
It's up to God to change people, we can't do it.
Blessings. 😎
Trust me, nobody needs four years of experience to tell you that. I could have told you all that after two months of being a member. In fact I'm pretty sure Tim knows he's barking up the wrong tree. He already stated before he isn't trying to convince anybody of anything. Which is a good thing because nobody has been convinced of the truth of a religion by anybody on this forum for as long as I've been a member (not quite a year).