No one is truly atheist. They can state it but they don't really believe that.
If someone were then why they would even live their lifes until the end if they believe when they die everything would be for nothing.
There would be no sense is trying to life a good life, no sense in trying to achieve happiness... no sense in trying to grow up and evolve and be a better person... no sense in learning something.
People are too idealistic to be real atheists. Idealism is not something only religious people do. What scientists are if not pure idealists ? They love theories and abstractions.
Originally posted by Atlantis001😕
No one is truly atheist. They can state it but they don't really believe that.If someone were then why they would even live their lifes until the end if they believe when they die everything would be for nothing.
There would be no sense is trying to life a good life, no sense in trying to achieve happiness... no sense in trying to grow up and evolve and be a better person... no sense in learning something.
People are too idealistic to be real atheists. Idealism is not something only religious people do. What scientists are if not pure idealists ? They love theories and abstractions.
Originally posted by Atlantis001Nonsense. I too believe that there's no one truly and solely atheist, but not for the reasons you gave. You don't have to believe that there's more than the one life you get to lead a traditionally "good life". You don't need to kill yourself just because you don't believe something comes after.
No one is truly atheist. They can state it but they don't really believe that.If someone were then why they would even live their lifes until the end if they believe when they die everything would be for nothing.
There would be no sense is trying to life a good life, no sense in trying to achieve happiness... no sense in trying to grow up and evolve and be a better person... no sense in learning something.
People are too idealistic to be real atheists. Idealism is not something only religious people do. What scientists are if not pure idealists ? They love theories and abstractions.
Originally posted by Bardock42Well I would disagree even with your definition I believe just as there are hardcore believers they would be the same for atheists but I would agree this is in the minority. For me I couldn’t not believe there was a god as described in the bible but then I am also open to the possibility that I could be wrong, this would also include other creatures of myth as well and all things supernatural.
When I say it I mean someone that without a shadow of a doubt believes that there is no and there can't be a God. I assume that's not exactly what Atlantis was going for, though.
Originally posted by Da PittmanIt's not my definition of a "true atheist", it's just the way I used it in this context. Seeing myself as agnostic atheist, I accept sceptics just as fully convinced atheists, equally.
Well I would disagree even with your definition I believe just as there are hardcore believers they would be the same for atheists but I would agree this is in the minority. For me I couldn’t not believe there was a god as described in the bible but then I am also open to the possibility that I could be wrong, this would also include other creatures of myth as well and all things supernatural.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
No one is truly atheist. They can state it but they don't really believe that.If someone were then why they would even live their lifes until the end if they believe when they die everything would be for nothing.
There would be no sense is trying to life a good life, no sense in trying to achieve happiness... no sense in trying to grow up and evolve and be a better person... no sense in learning something.
People are too idealistic to be real atheists. Idealism is not something only religious people do. What scientists are if not pure idealists ? They love theories and abstractions.
Kinda pretentious to assume all that, isn't it?
Also, it's wrong.
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You seem to have some sort of theistic superiority complex where you think life can't have meaning without God or a religion. It can, and it's not only possible but a liberating and enlightening experience to come out from under the religious veil.
Originally posted by DigiMark007I would have to disagree to a point. I think that be it faith or lack of faith or being in a cult that if you find your own “personal truth” that it is just as liberating. I have some of my friends that were atheist/agnostic that later in life found faith and from what it seems to be far happier in their life and more content but the same can be said for others that I have seen become atheist.
You seem to have some sort of theistic superiority complex where you think life can't have meaning without God or a religion. It can, and it's not only possible but a liberating and enlightening experience to come out from under the religious veil.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
I would have to disagree to a point. I think that be it faith or lack of faith or being in a cult that if you find your own “personal truth” that it is just as liberating. I have some of my friends that were atheist/agnostic that later in life found faith and from what it seems to be far happier in their life and more content but the same can be said for others that I have seen become atheist.
Right. Part of it is which side of the fence you're on. It always feels like the right one until you decide to switch over.
But Atlantis' point was that "there are no true atheists" because he claimed that true atheism precludes meaning in life. Which is false, and I believe does betray sense of theistic elitism (in him only, not in general). That's all I was commenting on, because you're right insofar as it's a case-by-case basis.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
I would have to disagree to a point. I think that be it faith or lack of faith or being in a cult that if you find your own “personal truth” that it is just as liberating. I have some of my friends that were atheist/agnostic that later in life found faith and from what it seems to be far happier in their life and more content but the same can be said for others that I have seen become atheist.
I feel both of you are being very very silly here.
Is an atheists life better than a theists? In some cases yes,
Is a theists life better than an atheists In some cases yes,
The fact is, you two are trying to apply absolutes to something which you can't. Some people enjoy a religious life, some people don't....its futile to argue otherwise.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I feel both of you are being very very silly here.Is an atheists life better than a theists? In some cases yes,
Is a theists life better than an atheists In some cases yes,The fact is, you two are trying to apply absolutes to something which you can't. Some people enjoy a religious life, some people don't....its futile to argue otherwise.
Again, I was only commenting on Atlantis's remarks, not trying to make generalizations.
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