State Ruling Ciminalizes Home Schooling

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Indoctrination is "to imbue with a partisan or ideological point of view." By definition, representing a multiplicity of views is not indoctrination. What one believes about multiplicity is irrelevant.

lol

no, sending a child to a school for the expressed reason of exposing them to a multiplicity of views is an ideological statement. I'm not criticizing it, I think it is a good point of view, but it has no more objective validity than the idea that children should be raised with a single view.

Originally posted by inimalist
no, sending a child to a school for the expressed reason of exposing them to a multiplicity of views is an ideological statement. I'm not criticizing it, I think it is a good point of view, but it has no more objective validity than the idea that children should be raised with a single view.

According to what reasoning?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
According to what reasoning?

what do you mean?

are you saying you don't think pluralism is an ideology?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
According to what reasoning?

If you understand this question:

Originally posted by Devil King
So, how do we "teach" without indoctrinating?

Then you understand the reasoning.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Not quite the issue, my proposed test would have nothing to pass. It would be like a personality test, with multiple, equally valid results. Either you are the type who could learn in a public school, or you aren't. It has nothing to do with your test-taking abilities.

Originally posted by inimalist
It depends on whether or not you believe that personal beliefs are based on rational choice.

Or whether or not you believe that the concept of multiplicity is indoctrination.

I actually think this is a very difficult question to answer

By no means am I preaching that home schooling is better of an alternative or any less of an indoctrinating lesson, but I certainly don't think school is all high and mighty above home schooling.

Originally posted by Quark_666
I have to doubt the ability of even a highly advanced personality test to decide something like that long term. Personality tests require a certain skill as well...the ability to know the answer to the question doesn't always come naturally, even if the test is asking you about yourself.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Yet it is parents who are seeking to limit intellectual diversity

Exactly.

In my limited experience with homeschooled...students...I have encountered only 2 types. And my experience certainly can't be held out as representative, but from what I am hearing in this thread, it seems to be.

They fit into 2 categories; they are being removed from the public school system because they have behavioral problems that the school system is either unwilling or unable to address and their removal is essential for a conducive environment for the other students or they are removed from the school sysytem because their parents do not want them exposed to ideas that run contrary to their own. Being from the south, the majority of homeschooled children I encountered were being taught at home because of religious concerns held by their parents.

But anyone who argues that the science class is a form of indoctrination has spent little time paying attention in one. In my case, I went to a religious private school, and it was the objective study of multiple religions in religion class that did the most to enlighten me to the topic of religion. This is religious exposure that does not take place in public school. And I think most of these parents who refuse to understand that there isn't indoctrination in a science class are confused because religion isn't taught side by side with science; as though they are two sides of the same coin.

Originally posted by Devil King
Exactly.

In my limited experience with homeschooled...students...I have encountered only 2 types. And my experience certainly can't be held out as representative, but from what I am hearing in this thread, it seems to be.

They fit into 2 categories; they are being removed from the public school system because they have behavioral problems that the school system is either unwilling or unable to address and their removal is essential for a conducive environment for the other students or they are removed from the school sysytem because their parents do not want them exposed to ideas that run contrary to their own. Being from the south, the majority of homeschooled children I encountered were being taught at home because of religious concerns held by their parents.

Very well put. 👆 I have only encountered those two types as well.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol

no, sending a child to a school for the expressed reason of exposing them to a multiplicity of views is an ideological statement. I'm not criticizing it, I think it is a good point of view, but it has no more objective validity than the idea that children should be raised with a single view.

Seconded.

Originally posted by inimalist
what do you mean?

are you saying you don't think pluralism is an ideology?

Qualify the statement, "[Exposing children to a multiplicity of views] "has no more objective validity than the idea that children should be raised with a single view."

To paraphrase David Horowitz, the central purpose of education is the pursuit of truth, the discovery of new knowledge through scholarship and research, the study and reasoned criticism of intellectual and cultural traditions, the teaching and general development of children to help them become creative individuals and productive citizens of a pluralistic democracy, and the transmission of knowledge and learning to a society at large. Free inquiry is indispensable to the achievement of these goals. It is exposing children to a multiplicity of views, not a single view that fosters free inquiry.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is exposing children to a multiplicity of views, not a single view that fosters free inquiry.

Which serves as an obvious condemnation of the idea that it is beneficial to either the learning-disabled/behaviourally-challenged or the religously inclined to be denied exposure to others in a society in which they are expected to function.

it is also a direct contradition to Sithsabre's notion that kids won't figure out for themselves that all children are not equal, created as such or otherwise.

Now, obviously the believe in exposing people to a multitude of views is an ideology, but if a country decides that it wants their citizens to hafve a standard of education to give them the possibility to function in every paths they should choose it is a necessary one I would say.

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Originally posted by Bardock42
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