Watch this interesting video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4&NR=1
Watch this interesting video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4&NR=1
Originally posted by Bardock42
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/science/14tier.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5090&en=22bfff4070a81187&ex=1344744000
Cool!
Originally posted by svetlu
Watch this interesting video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4&NR=1
Meh.
Most articles, essays, books on the philosophy of the mind do a better job of dealing with those issues....the video mainly just asks a bunch of questions to the viewer, then takes an enormous leap from the well-established idea of subjective reality all the way to the existence of something transcending material reality, without providing any basis to believe this other than the questions surrounding consciousness. They have no way of verifying this, either empirically or philosophically, and it is there that their bias is displayed. The next leap is possibly even greater, and goes from the existence of something transcending materialism, and says that this proves a Creator. By the end, it was only a step or two away from Creationism itself.
If one wants to believe in something beyond materialism based on the possible duality of consciousness, that is well and good, though it still has no basis in fact, only conjecture, and simply can't be dis-proven. But to then posit God would be like telling me there's an item behind Door #1, and me saying "Well, it has to be a record player." Any arbitrary item will do, but each is as likely as the other (or as unlikely as the other, to make it more poignant).
Originally posted by Bardock42
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/science/14tier.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5090&en=22bfff4070a81187&ex=1344744000
Quite interesting. I've thought of it myself from the perspective of a gamer. "What if my life is a game?" "What if someone is playing 'me' through a game and I just don't realize it because it all seems so 'real' to me?"
I guess Sonnenfeld had similar thoughts when directing the last scene of "Men In Black."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/science/14tier.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5090&en=22bfff4070a81187&ex=1344744000
The idea of material existence masking over a vaster, deeper, transcendent reality is ancient, and also more ubiquitous than many realize (eg, "Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream..."😉. Why the NY Times saw fit to print this is probably more a reflection of the man than the subject matter.
Define Dream.
when we are asleep, we dream, and yes, we can know we are dreaming when were dreaming at times.
Our awake conciousness tells us that we dreamed after we wake up. Now, if we are in a dream right now, then there should be a different definition for dream. for example. I dont know I'm dreaming right now and never will
Re: Waking Up to Reality
Originally posted by svetlu
What if reality was something completely different than what we feel it to be? What if one day you woke up and discovered that everything you thought about the world, including who you are, where you live, and the people around you—was all just a dream?
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Read Hilary Pauntnam; he provides a very clever objection to the Cartesian idea that reality is in fact a dream. Not everyone agrees with it but i think its really cool. 🙂
Originally posted by Mindship
How do you know everyone else on KMC is not software which can pass the Turing test?[B]Turing Test
- You are sitting at a terminal linked to another terminal which you can't see. If, by interacting with that other terminal, you can't tell whether it is operated by a person or a machine, then the machine has passed the Turing Test.
- A hypothetical test for computer intelligence, proposed by Alan Turing in 1950, involving a computer program generating a conversation which could not be distinguished from that of a real human.😮💨 [/B]
Infact Pauntnam uses the Turing test to convey his point. The idea that we are being decived by Decartes 'All powerful deciever' is about as possible as a four sided triangle.
Our Reality
...What is it that keeps a person out of the Spiritual World? What is a person? Well, we have to understand how our perception of this reality, the way in which we perceive reality, causes a hiddeness for us.
A person is a closed box with five openings. These five openings are our five senses. Now, surrounding the person is an upper reality, a complete reality, the spiritual, and from that complete reality things approach us. That is what appears to be an exterior reality of some sort of unformed something, approaches the person and through the five senses that we possess, we determine what that thing is; in other words, what does reality consist of, according to my senses.
This spiritual object approaches the box, but something odd happens here. It doesn’t actually enter the box. The box is a closed system, because rather then this object coming in, it hits a barrier—a kind of transducer, like an eardrum or a retina or a nerve—on the surface of the skin or a taste bud. Instead of getting the thing on the outside, this thing gets reduced and is passed through a program. As it passes through this program, it gets interpreted into something that we can understand according to certain principles within the program. Once it passes through this, it leaves our box or this machine, and what it produces is our reality...
Watch the video:
www.kabbalah.info/engkab/kabb...ion-of-reality
Re: Our Reality
Originally posted by svetlu
...What is it that keeps a person out of the Spiritual World? What is a person? Well, we have to understand how our perception of this reality, the way in which we perceive reality, causes a hiddeness for us.A person is a closed box with five openings. These five openings are our five senses. Now, surrounding the person is an upper reality, a complete reality, the spiritual, and from that complete reality things approach us. That is what appears to be an exterior reality of some sort of unformed something, approaches the person and through the five senses that we possess, we determine what that thing is; in other words, what does reality consist of, according to my senses.
This spiritual object approaches the box, but something odd happens here. It doesn’t actually enter the box. The box is a closed system, because rather then this object coming in, it hits a barrier—a kind of transducer, like an eardrum or a retina or a nerve—on the surface of the skin or a taste bud. Instead of getting the thing on the outside, this thing gets reduced and is passed through a program. As it passes through this program, it gets interpreted into something that we can understand according to certain principles within the program. Once it passes through this, it leaves our box or this machine, and what it produces is our reality...
Watch the video:
www.kabbalah.info/engkab/kabb...ion-of-reality
what about the fact that taste and smell are essentially the same sense?
Re: Our Reality
Originally posted by svetlu
...What is it that keeps a person out of the Spiritual World? What is a person? Well, we have to understand how our perception of this reality, the way in which we perceive reality, causes a hiddeness for us.
We are too cocerned about creating abstract models to explain what do we see.
They are our creation. They are artificial... a fantasy we create for ourselves.
Truth and reality doesn't need abstractions.