Ultimates v 616 Counterparts

so i've only JUST started getting into the ultimates. pretty good stuff. i'm curious about some of the relative power levels though. i'm going to list a bunch of characters. just tell me who would win a best of 10 between them and their own counterpart. first, the HEROES:

reed richards
invisible woman
thing
human torch
thor
hulk
captain america
dr strange
wolverine
colossus
cyclops
storm
daredevil
spidey
nick fury
ironman
iron fist
prof x
quicksilver

and some VILLAINS:

doom
dr ock
carnage
bullseye
green goblin
kraven
magneto
namor
omega red
sandman
sinister
sabertooth
venom
juggernaut

if you really want to help me figure some of this stuff out, just copy/paste the list and put 616 or ult beside each name to tell me who you think would win the best of 10. you can put too close to call as well if you think it's that close. also -- are there any obvious characters i've missed? and big villains? galactus is very different i think in the ult universe so wasn't sure he beared comparing.

ps -- yeah i know it's a lot of names, but, meh, no one says you gotta fill in all of them. 🙂

This has been before and 616 wins.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
This has been before and 616 wins.

that's nice and all, but . . . did you actually bother read what was asked?

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
This has been before and 616 wins.

Not all of them

Reed, Captain America, and Namor, are the only 'Ultimate' versions that would beat their 616 counterparts, imo.

Originally posted by severance
Not all of them

Most of them. However I haven't read any other titles except Ultimates and Ult Human.

Originally posted by Galan007
Reed, Captain America, and Namor, are the only 'Ultimate' versions that would beat their 616 counterparts, imo.

Originally posted by Yowsa
Ultimate Cap would lose.

Originally posted by Yowsa
and why Reed?

really? none of the villains could compete at all?

Originally posted by Galan007
In your opinion -- but not in mine. 🙂

Feats.

I don't read much 616 but what had Ultimate done that Reed can't or hasn't in comparison?

Originally posted by leonidas
really? none of the villains could compete at all?

Originally posted by Yowsa
I don't read much 616 but what had Ultimate done that Reed can't or hasn't in comparison?

He also built a machine which turned his thoughts into three-dimensional constructs. Basically Reed enabled himself to turn his every thought into reality, with this device.

Built a device which could "bottle a Star", just to help power another machine.

And lets not forget about the "big bang gun" Reed built when he was only 19 years old.

Again,
just MO. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Ult. Reed has built a power suit, which duplicated the powers of the F4, and the Ultimates.

He also built a machine which turned his thoughts into three-dimensional constructs. Basically Reed enabled himself to turn his every thought into reality, with this device.

Built a device which could "bottle a Star", just to help power another machine.

And lets not forget about the "big bang gun" Reed built when he was only 19 years old.

Again,
just MO. 🙂

really? ult reed has done ALL that? damn, he would have been a GREAT pick for a tournament . . . 😖hifty:

and are any of the other ult's close to their counterparts?

ultimate cap his meta strength speed etc, not just peak. His tactical ability is off the scale he would def beat 616 cap

Originally posted by leonidas
really? ult reed has done ALL that? damn, he would have been a GREAT pick for a tournament . . . 😖hifty:

and are any of the other ult's close to their counterparts?

🙄

Originally posted by Galan007
Reed, Captain America, and Namor, are the only 'Ultimate' versions that would beat their 616 counterparts, imo.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
🙄

don't roll your eyes at me mister -- you're just sore cuz i took him first! 😄

and in general, how MUCH more powerful are the 616 counterparts? seems the ults are weaker, but by how much?

Ultimate Colossus is apparently stronger than his 616 counterpart. He's lifted a submarine (something 616 Pete hasn't done to my knowledge) and defeated Ultimate Thor in a fight (and while Ult Thor doesn't have the feats or apparent versatility of his 616 counterpart, he's still a heavyweight among the Ult bricks).

You guys are missing a couple obvious ones.

In general, 616 >> Ultimate

Thing and Colossus I think would beat their 616 counterparts. Green Goblin and Namor might have a chance too.

Originally posted by leonidas
and in general, how MUCH more powerful are the 616 counterparts? seems the ults are weaker, but by how much?