Originally posted by Mindset
He could possibly be talking about Aquaman's ability to communicate with the sea life and how his maneuverability would be >>>> that of Vargas'.
That's exactly what I was talking about. If Arthur somehow got Vargas into the ocean he would win. On land though, it would be a good fight for a while, but Aquaman would die.
Originally posted by Mindset
He could possibly be talking about Aquaman's ability to communicate with the sea life and how his maneuverability would be >>>> that of Vargas'.
Aquaman has shown to control humans, birds and aliens [he even took control over Superman's body] on land. Plus as noted his speed on land
1. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2264/aquamanspeedfeat09yn1.gif
2. http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2624/aquamanspeedfeat10nz9.jpg
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
That's exactly what I was talking about. If Arthur somehow got Vargas into the ocean he would win. On land though, it would be a good fight for a while, but Aquaman would die.
On what grounds? Why because he beat Rogue, Beast and Psylocke?....wow.
Get back to me when Vargas rips one of the heads off of Cerebrus and throws it breaking the gates of hell or takes on the Justice League on his own.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Aquaman has shown to control humans, birds and aliens [he even took control over Superman's body] on land. Plus as noted his speed on land1. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2264/aquamanspeedfeat09yn1.gif
2. http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2624/aquamanspeedfeat10nz9.jpgOn what grounds? Why because he beat Rogue, Beast and Psylocke?....wow.
Get back to me when Vargas rips one of the heads off of Cerebrus and throws it breaking the gates of hell or takes on the Justice League on his own.
Cerberus??? listen Vargas is a genius tactician, I'm sure he would, and could replicate the same feat.
Anyone can take on the Justice League, it just gets tricky when one can actually claim victory from them.
Vargas is not human, did you read his bio? Aquaman may not be able to affect Vargas at all with his TP, in fact Vargas may not be able to be affected at all by TP assault or weren't you paying attention?
I wonder how resilient Aquaman would be, if Rogue kissed him or held onto him while touching him for a straight minute?
Rogue was able to imprint Vargas' power but even this did not knock him out. Like I said Aquaman in the ocean would beat most people, but on land, against Vargas he would surely lose.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Cerberus??? listen Vargas is a genius tactician, I'm sure he would, and could replicate the same feat.Anyone can take on the Justice League, it just gets tricky when one can actually claim victory from them.
Vargas is not human, did you read his bio? Aquaman may not be able to affect Vargas at all with his TP, in fact Vargas may not be able to be affected at all by TP assault or weren't you paying attention?
I wonder how resilient Aquaman would be, if Rogue kissed him or held onto him while touching him for a straight minute?
Rogue was able to imprint Vargas' power but even this did not knock him out. Like I said Aquaman in the ocean would beat most people, but on land, against Vargas he would surely lose.
As in the three headed dog that guards hell. Ummm...so is Aquaman he does command one of the most powerful armies on DC Earth. Also the feat Aquaman did it with pure strength and skill. Also show me evidence Vargas COULD replicate that feat
Have you seen the fight? or for that matter any of Aquaman's fights and feats? 😬
Ummm..lulz? Those were examples of Aquaman taking control over non-aquatic beings. If he could take over a White Martian who is vastly superior to Vargas in any way shape or form he is pretty screwed here. Why because he blocked Psylocke? So that makes him immune to all telepathy? Please show me evidence he is immune to all telepathy then. Hell, Moon Knight blocked Psylocke before, but he isn't immune to telepathy
*Shrugs* For all we know his magical hand would heal him, which it has done so in the past. Also didn't later Rogue's powers worked later on Vargas? Also not like it matters as Aquaman's powers are completly different from Rogue so not sure even how that's relevant. As there have been several characters who wern't affected by Rogue's power
On what grounds? You havn't provided any reasoning as Aquaman has every advantage in this battle even on land 😬
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EDIT:
You over-hype Vargas:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=478795&pagenumber=1
I do have to say that it seems to me that Aquaman is in another class mentally than Psylocke. She would have more experience in psy battles, but Arthur arguably has the most powerful mind on DC earth....especially focusing his telepathy through the hand. Heck, he was able to break into Martian Manhunter's mind without even trying. I still don't know enough to really call this, but I'd put Aquaman up against most people who aren't Superman level and expect him to hold his own.
Way to go, you actually danced around everything that I said about Vargas. I can do the same thing.... Rogue alone would dispacth Aquaman with a touch, and while there have been a few people that have resisted her touch Aquaman would not be one of them. Vargas however was. If it was written that Psylocke could not affect him via TP assault, perhaps he could remain unfazed by a greater TP manipulator... he's shown the ability to resist this form of attack, but then again you make it seem like Aquaman is in the same league as professor Xavier, when he clearly doesn't have the feats to support such a wild claim.
I know where this is going with you Mungi, so I'll keep my opinion as to who would win and you can keep yours, the fact remains that Vargas is tougher than Arthur. He is also clearly stronger than a class 50, being able to wipe the floor with Rogue in a few hits.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Way to go, you actually danced around everything that I said about Vargas. I can do the same thing.... Rogue alone would dispacth Aquaman with a touch, and while there have been a few people that have resisted her touch Aquaman would not be one of them. Vargas however was. If it was written that Psylocke could not affect him via TP assault, perhaps he could remain unfazed by a greater TP manipulator... he's shown the ability to resist this form of attack, but then again you make it seem like Aquaman is in the same league as professor Xavier, when he clearly doesn't have the feats to support such a wild claim.I know where this is going with you Mungi, so I'll keep my opinion as to who would win and you can keep yours, the fact remains that Vargas is tougher than Arthur. He is also clearly stronger than a class 50, being able to wipe the floor with Rogue in a few hits.
What points did you make? Seriously what points did you make? Ummm..lulz? Because Vargas has a resistance to ROGUE that automatically means he can beat Aquaman? Bad logic. So like I said where is your proof? and no he isn't Xavier level, but are you claiming Vargas has Xavier level telepathy defence? Proof?
And your opinion is wrong, and Aquaman is cearly stronger then class 50 and Vargas is tougher? prove it, you claim a lot but back up nothing 😬
I'd argue that Aquaman is DEFINITELY Xavier class or above in raw power, he just doesn't have the experience to utilize it. I have to say, breaking into a world class mentalist like MM without even TRYING to is really a huge feat. I have to say that puts him WELL above Psylocke. The whole thing with Rogue's absorption powers is rather irrelevant. It doesn't necessarily tell us anything pertinent about Vargas. After all, she couldn't absorb Juggernaut's powers because they were magical, so, since Vargas is so shrouded in secrecy, perhaps the same is true of him? Either way, it really doesn't have any bearing on the matter at hand.
Him wiping the floor with Rogue, well at least that gives us something to compare. To do so, well, Rogue was class 50 or something, right? Heck, Aquaman has gone toe to toe with class 100s on a pretty regular basis. In fact, he and his son beat an entire team (the Deep Six) who had given Orion trouble one on one. He's also tangled with Lobo and come out of it alive....I've got to say, I haven't heard anything about Vargas that makes me say "wow, Aquaman can't beat that guy."
