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Originally posted by Sirius77
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time

'Einstein showed that if time and space is measured using electromagnetic phenomena (like light bouncing between mirrors) then due to the constancy of the speed of light, time and space become mathematically entangled together in a certain way (called Minkowski space) which in turn results in Lorentz transformation and in entanglement of all other important derivative physical quantities (like energy, momentum, mass, force, etc) in a certain 4-vectorial way (see special relativity for more details)."

So summarize, time="energy, momentum, mass, force, etc".

It looks like you're taking a small portion of what was said and trying to use it to back up your statements.

That is spacetime, in which the 3 dimensions of space are added to time, or the 4th dimension.

That does not suggest that time is energy. You are not summarizing what has been said, because what was said was not that time is the equivalent to energy or mass.

Doop

lol @ Sirius's so-called arguments.

Originally posted by Sirius77
If youre talking about maggeddon... it was stated to be the size of a solar system... It does have wieght.

If your talking about time, why wouldnt it? Do you think that anything would exist without time? Not to go philosphical, but its the building blocks by which existance is, was and will be built.

Maggeddon isnt a he, its more of a weapon. And I'm not sure 'what' it was, but it was made by the old gods and destroyed them. It was stated to be the size of the solar system. It was tangible appearently.

How much that time wieghed? Theoretically, as much as everything in that moment...

So, you dont believe that maggeddon was shown on panel?

Heh... what?
Anyway, when did time become matter?

OK. It was stated to be the size of a solar system... when? It seems like you're thinking purely of Maggedon, and yes, I've seen him... I just haven't the foggiest idea what Superman pushed. And maybe whatever Superman pushed was the size of a solar system... but I'd like confirmation.

Ah, so it weighed as much as the entire universe?

I've seen Maggedon... I've read the arc.
I just have no idea what Superman did... and where he did it.

I'd like to know what Superman did, and it looks like you're the wrong person to ask.
Apparently he pushed Maggedon's spaceship... but I haven't even seen Mag's spaceship shown or mentioned... Plus, Mags wasn't even in it if it does exist.

Superman never "pushed" Mageddon= he became part of its internal engines until Batman snapped him out of it with an angry pep-talk.

Mageddon was moving just fine on its own before Superman was a component of it. The Mageddon scan really doesn't show anything useful.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Well, heres early nineties Superman pushing a space station that has gleaned resources from the solar system:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanpush.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanpush2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanpush3.jpg

Then theres this:

Whats eternity divided by two?

Then theres maggeddon:

The sad thing about these scans is that all of them look like flight strength, dont look like a lifting feat to me.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That thing would be like the size of a penis in relation to the moon...
Also, he basically said that he can't push planets, and that that machine neutralizes the mass of the planets...

Actually, Superman's own words have directly contradicted that on panel.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanpushplanetact797.jpg

He's also stated before that he pushed a planet under a red sun.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Eternity = time...

Originally posted by Mindset
Eternity is a measure of time, so I don't know how much that would weight

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Ha. Nice twist. Time is weightless.

😂

I love this argument. Because it assumes two things...

1. The Spectre is a liar.

and

2. Superman and Wonder Woman both struggled with absolutely no weight.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Do you have proof that it was the size of Jupiter? Believe me, I've looked long and hard looking for how big that thing was, and I couldn't find it.

The size of Jupiter my anus. It's brain was an entire sun.

This is a picture of Mageddon, and at this point, it was light years away.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/Mega.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
Actually, Superman's own words have directly contradicted that on panel.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanpushplanetact797.jpg

He's also stated before that he pushed a planet under a red sun.

😂

I love this argument. Because it assumes two things...

1. The Spectre is a liar.

and

2. Superman and Wonder Woman both struggled with absolutely no weight.

The size of Jupiter my anus. It's brain was an entire sun.

This is a picture of Mageddon, and at this point, it was light years away.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/Mega.jpg

I love that you believe Superman and WW can lift an infinite amount of weight.

I love that the feat is still taken seriously by some people. Hilarious really.

Originally posted by batdude123
Actually, Superman's own words have directly contradicted that on panel.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanpushplanetact797.jpg

He's also stated before that he pushed a planet under a red sun.

He HAS pushed a planet. He was sundipped at the time, but it doesn't change the fact that he's done it.

And, if I recall correctly, Superman didn't say he pushed a planet under a red sun; he claimed to have MOVED one.

Which he did.

By powering a big-assed machine with his heat vision.

Originally posted by Mindset
I love that you believe Superman and WW can lift an infinite amount of weight.

I didn't say that at all. I just think it's funny how both you and Slippyfist were trying to argue that the Spectre is weightless. 🙂

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
I love that the feat is still taken seriously by some people. Hilarious really.

Yeah, because I totally use both the Spectre and Mageddon instances as average Superman strength feats in all forum battles he's included in.

Originally posted by Soljer
He HAS pushed a planet. He was sundipped at the time, but it doesn't change the fact that he's done it.

Could be referring to a different instance than the Warworld one.

I mean, Warworld wasn't exactly in orbit around the sun. It had its own source of energy and was stationary. That's why it took satellites "months" to find its position (when it replaced Pluto).

Actually I was arguing the feat didn't make sense.

If it said Spectre weighed 1 lbs. yet both Supes and WW had trouble lifting him would you accept it?

Originally posted by batdude123

Could be referring to a different instance than the Warworld one.

I mean, Warworld wasn't exactly in orbit around the sun. It had its own source of energy and was stationary. That's why it took satellites "months" to find its position (when it replaced Pluto).

Yup.

Could be.

But it makes more sense for it not to be.

And you didn't seem to bother responding to the whole 'moving a planet under a red sun,' which he also did, though not with physical strength.

Originally posted by Mindset
Actually I was arguing the feat didn't make sense.

If it said Spectre weighed 1 lbs. yet both Supes and WW had trouble lifting him would you accept it?

good point.

Got a question though, how much does the spectre weigh because in that scan it sure as hell didnt have his weight on there.

Originally posted by batdude123
Actually, Superman's own words have directly contradicted that on panel.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanpushplanetact797.jpg

He's also stated before that he pushed a planet under a red sun.

😂

I love this argument. Because it assumes two things...

1. The Spectre is a liar.

and

2. Superman and Wonder Woman both struggled with absolutely no weight.

The size of Jupiter my anus. It's brain was an entire sun.

This is a picture of Mageddon, and at this point, it was light years away.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/Syms_Photos/Mega.jpg

Except he says that he weighs as much as eternity, and eternity = time... so either you take the actual meaning, or take into consideration that the feat makes no sense. And can't be taken as a confirmable strength feat.

The problem is, that I don't even know what Superman did. I know how big Maggedon is, and I've never actually gotten an explanation as to what Superman did... by anyone... that makes sense of course. I couldn't even find an explanation in the comics...
In fact, I was told that the wheels were as big as a solar system, and that Superman pushed Maggedon's ship... so...

Could you explain what actually happened... please?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Uh-huh... that's got absolutely nothing to do with what was being talked about.
What's his face made it seem like Superman pushed like a solar system or some sort, but it couldn't have been, as Superman couldn't push planets at [b]that point in time.

Except he says that he weighs as much as eternity, and eternity = time... so either you take the actual meaning, or take into consideration that the feat makes no sense. And can't be taken as a confirmable strength feat.

The problem is, that I don't even know what Superman did. I know how big Maggedon is, and I've never actually gotten an explanation as to what Superman did... by anyone... that makes sense of course. I couldn't even find an explanation in the comics...
In fact, I was told that the wheels were as big as a solar system, and that Superman pushed Maggedon's ship... so...

Could you explain what actually happened... please? [/B]

I'm almost certain that the "wheels" are meant poetically. Maggedon is never shown have literal wheels.

What did happen is that Superman was captured by Maggedon and chained inside of him. He is seen straining against a massive chain and it is stated that Maggedon is using Supes' power. I guess the ancient god were able to create a supergigantic, psychic war machine but ended up having it powered by clockwork or something.

It's an impressive feat (except for the mindraping) if only because Maggedon recognized Superman as sufficiently powerful to accelerate it. Unfortunately there is no way to quantify what was actually accomplished.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm almost certain that the "wheels" are meant poetically. Maggedon is never shown have literal wheels.

Miliwheels.

The 'clockwork' you spoke of.

Originally posted by Soljer
Miliwheels.

The 'clockwork' you spoke of.

Oh, that's a good point.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Except he says that he weighs as much as eternity, and eternity = time... so either you take the actual meaning, or take into consideration that the feat makes no sense. And can't be taken as a confirmable strength feat.

My suggestion to you is to not over analyze it that much. Because if you do that, then you'll come to some insanely illogical conclusion.

For instance, trying to say that the Spectre = time = weightless. Just take it for what it is. The Spectre weighed a lot, as per his own words.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
The problem is, that I don't even know what Superman did. I know how big Maggedon is, and I've never actually gotten an explanation as to what Superman did... by anyone... that makes sense of course. I couldn't even find an explanation in the comics...
In fact, I was told that the wheels were as big as a solar system, and that Superman pushed Maggedon's [b]ship... so...

Could you explain what actually happened... please? [/B]

There was nothing in the WWIII arc that specifically stated the tonnage amount for Superman's feat.

The only thing that was certain was that Superman's strength was being used to power up a ship/weapon of size > than our solar system. And by using his strength as a power source, Mageddon was being internally worked, moved, and operated by Superman's muscle.