Originally posted by Syren
Anyone else? Seriously, come on. Join in and enjoy yourselves. I refuse to be forced into providing answers just to sate the appetites of those who refuse to accept it when I say no. If I wanted to share with you, I would.Get over it, ok?
Re: Re: Re: Brit's rant on 'Sordi' Arabia
Originally posted by Syren
Tag team me all you want fellas, it won't get you anywhere. If I wanted to share my opinions with you I would have. I'm so sorry I caused you distress with my 'blanket statement' (thanks B) but I refuse to be bullied into elaborating just to make you feel better.
The feather of my aunt is in the office of my uncle, but the office of my uncle is in the garden of my aunt.
Originally posted by Syren
Anyone else? Seriously, come on. Join in and enjoy yourselves. I refuse to be forced into providing answers just to sate the appetites of those who refuse to accept it when I say no. If I wanted to share with you, I would.Get over it, ok?
"Hello. My name's Little Miss Inane. I have something to say, but I'm only going to say a little bit, and when anyone questions me about it in a discussion, I'm just going to throw a little tantrum, and complain about everyone picking on me. Then, I'll make up some garbage about me only offering the original piece for discussion (because I have nothing to support my opinion; it's just baseless ignorance). Hmpf."
Originally posted by inimalist
might I mention that I have twice now tried to defend the video with no takers....
Here, have a lollipop...
Originally posted by inimalist
I think the video has nothing to do with Muslims or with immigration. To me at least, it was apparent that he was talking geopolitics about Saudi Arabia.For instance, with the money the royal family gets for oil, it creates mosques and charity organization that, while performing the social function they obviously would, spread a very strict version of Wahabi Islam. In many ways, this is why Saudi Arabia is the guardian of islam atm. They are spending as much money as they can to associate Islam with Wahabism, and have managed to spread the doctrine to the 4 corners of the world.
The point this guy made about European tolerance, wasn't that it was bad, or that Europeans placate too much, but rather that the Saudis understood how to manipulate it in order to set up their own propaganda stations for UK Muslims.
The Saudi's, through Pakistan's ISI, have funded the Afghan mujahadeen since the 80s, they support the Waziristan tribal groups against secular pakistan and afghanistan, they support the Taliban.
I honestly don't think concern over Saudi funded mosques, built on the premise of anti-muslim rhetoric, has anything to do with Muslims.
Well, the title of his video is 'More demands from Islam...". Then there's the fact that he makes more references to 'Muslims' in general than he does to the Saudis. So, for you to say that the video "has nothing to do with Muslims" is laughable.
Also, by way of circular support, there's the welcoming page on his website that states "I don't respect your beliefs and I don't care if you're offended."
Seems like the guy's simply intoxicated with exuberance at the sound of his own verbosity, and you're giving him way more credit than he deserves.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Because you'll argue intelligently instead of shouting out random shit that makes you look like an idiot.
Thanks, have we spoken before or did you just feel like jumping on the bandwagon? Charming of you.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
"Hello. My name's Little Miss Inane. I have something to say, but I'm only going to say a little bit, and when anyone questions me about it in a discussion, I'm just going to throw a little tantrum, and complain about everyone picking on me. Then, I'll make up some garbage about me only offering the original piece for discussion (because I have nothing to support my opinion; it's just baseless ignorance). Hmpf."
No tantrums so far, have you been reading a different thread?
One thing, if you please, what did I do to deserve the abuse this time? Just so I know, of course, so as to avoid such mistakes in the future 🙄
It's probably that you had something to say, but you only said little bit and when someone questioned you about it in a discussion, you were just throwing a little tantrum, and complained about everyone picking on you. Then you made up some garbage about only offering the original piece for discussion.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Here, have a lollipop...
oh excellent, yet another condescending person who has no apparent skill or knowledge to justify such condescending attitudes.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Well, the title of his video is 'More demands from Islam...".
yes it is...
His thesis is that Europe is making too many concessions to the radical Islam, under the guise of multiculturalism...
This is an entertainment piece. Titles normally are the hook to draw you in. The fact that it isn't an academic work sort of forgives the tongue in cheek title. I can pretty much assure you if the title was;
"A look at the sociological changes to mainstream European society made in light of Saudi protestation and its connection to radical Islam, exacerbated by the paradigm of multiculturalism"
nobody here would have watched it.
lol, so ya, 🙄 point taken, his title isn't as accurate as a peer-reviewed article's would be.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Then there's the fact that he makes more references to 'Muslims' in general than he does to the Saudis.
my tally:
comments made about muslims in general: 4
-Remark about women wearing "tents" (This wasn't even a comment about muslims, but the term "tent" was ignorant enough to warrant this).
-So many muslims are insulting the religion that he doesn't have to (I quote this entire passage below, long story short, he is talking about radical islam, which he qualifies in the next sentence. So yes, sentence order in this passage appears to insult muslims)
-Muslim population needs to understand the facts of Saudi Arabia being bad (I guess this is ignorant of the fact that many muslims are aware of Saudi influence)
-Middle east would return to stone age if oil was no longer an export
Comments made about Radical Islam (I put this here because much of what he says isn't about the Saudis or mainstream Islam, but in fact, radical Islam, which as I will show later, he sees as being caused or at least supported by Saudi arabia): 5
-"no dialog with radical Islam..."
-Bigoted misogynistic ignoramuses
-Difficult to think of a compliment for them
-Think its their right to oppress people
-these are the people who insult Islam
(remember, these are only statements that are explicitly [as in, he says radical islam] about radical muslims)
Comments about the Saudis: 7
-In Saudi Arabia, women are cattle
-Saudi commission of Human Rights is hypocritical
-Saudi's are the guardians of Islam and of terrorism
-Saudis get away with cynical bullshit
-Fund murder and terrorism
-murderous wackos
-Should go back to the desert
comments about muslims: 4
comments about radical islam or the Saudis: 12
The following statements are a little out of order. If someone goes back and watches the piece and thinks I have manipulated something, please say so, I feel this is appropriate however.
Ok, so, lets even look at what he says in regard to radical islam and muslims:
"And before someone accuses me of insulting Islam, please grow up. I don't need to insult Islam when there are so many Muslims willing to do it for me every time they strap on a suicide belt or stone someone to death for the crime of having a private life. These are the people who insult Islam, not people like me...
...But these [Radical Islamists] are the people who are actually insulting Islam. And these are the true enemies of Muslims. And the biggest enemy of all is the royal family of Saudi Arabia, because it's through their activities funding and encouraging cold blooded murder in the name of their religious dogma that have made Islam feared and resented all over the civilized world, not people like me"
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
So, for you to say that the video "has nothing to do with Muslims" is laughable.
I would think you should watch the video again. Ok, so he talks about muslims, I guess in the strictest sense, there is reference to them, but he makes it abundantly clear that his criticisms of Islam are directed at the radicals.
What the video is about, even more than the radicals, is Europe. Some of his most scathing criticisms are toward British society, and the willingness to be duped by the Saudis when they say muslims are oppressed in Britain.
For instance: Saudi funded mosque that is even being challenged by local muslims for being an extremist organization. In this case, he calls Ken Livingstone, mayor of London, the Mad Mullah.
Store chains are allowing muslims to not handle alcohol, pharmacists are refusing to sell birth control, doctors and dentists are refusing to operate on patients due to religious concerns.
There is something to be said for freedom, and I am not saying these people should be FORCED to do these things. However, the idea that a society that is oppressive of Muslims would build Europe's largest mosque next to the olympic stadium IS laughable.
Again, a little bit of quote cut and paste, but here is what he is saying:
"Radical Islam has seen us for what we are, a soft touch. It seems that political correctness is like a drug that we can't stop injecting, even though we know it is going to kill us" He goes onto say Radical Islam is "making us despise ourselves for one of our best qualities"
"Our friends the Saudis are waging war against us and we are so fat and complacent that we don't even know it, so maybe we deserve everything we get"
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Also, by way of circular support, there's the welcoming page on his website that states "I don't respect your beliefs and I don't care if you're offended."
respecting beliefs is much different than making statements of ignorance. I have no respect for most religious beliefs, that doesn't mean I am willfully ignorant of them.
Him not liking Islam as a religion or system of control says nothing to the accuracy of his statements however.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Seems like the guy's simply intoxicated with exuberance at the sound of his own verbosity, and you're giving him way more credit than he deserves.
What it really seems like is nobody watched the video. Someone made a comment about it being insensitive, and everyone just parroted it.
Does he use language that shows some insensitivity? Sure. However, he never, repeat, NEVER compares Islam to terrorism. The only context where the two are mentioned is when he claims it is Saudi Arabia that is responsible for that connection, which any educated person could make a very persuasive argument for.
This almost reminds me of the South Park movie. The movie is about the kids seeing a movie with a whole lot of swearing and the parents reacting to it, which is what happened in the real world. This guys says Europeans are bending too far to accommodate Islam (allowing the radical elements to take advantage), and people have gone off on him as if he is racist.
For anyone, look at this post and my first one, I have cited his passages, I have at least watched the video, I'm using his words to support my point that he isn't a bigot and you are all overreacting in the exact way he is trying to warn against. When you reply, use his words. Show me where I'm not getting it.
He was talking about Saudi Arabia obviously. But also about "political correctness gone mad" and some other stupid things. He does differentiate between muslims and real English people. Sure, he makes a few good points but they are interwoven into bigotry and ignorance. Most of it seems to be about Islam (or maybe radical islam) though he takes the Saudi Arabia thing to start off his rant.