Originally posted by Tetragrammatonactually GLs could not explode Flash since they can't kill
Do I have to spell it out or what? 😐You guys are speculating about Flashes power and thats deemed ok. I speculate about GL making an explosion, relatively simple based on what they've done in the past, and thats bullshit? Get real.
Originally posted by TetragrammatonWell, I've seen Flash react in a pico-second and seen him IMP people. I've also seen GL's been beat by less. So I'm not speculating at all. But good to know that you admit speculating about "willing an opponent to explode." At least, now I have an answer to my repeated questions.
Do I have to spell it out or what? 😐You guys are speculating about Flashes power and thats deemed ok. I speculate about GL making an explosion, relatively simple based on what they've done in the past, and thats bullshit? Get real.
Originally posted by Master-BorgWell, he's both right and wrong. There was a permanent lift of the ban of lethal force against Sinestro Corps members only during 'Sinestro Corps War.' Now, in most recent issues of Green Lantern, there has been an authorization of lethal force against all who oppose the GL Corps.
wasnt that like a temporary lift on the killing ban?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well, I've seen Flash react in a pico-second and seen him IMP people. I've also seen GL's been beat by less. So I'm not speculating at all.
Originally posted by Tetragrammaton
Except Flash can't get past GL's defense.Such hypocrisy. Apparently,
Full potential Flash = KC Flash with no PIS/CIS
Full potential GL = Hal/Kyle with PIS/CIS
Awesome how that works out.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
But good to know that you admit speculating about "willing an opponent to explode." At least, now I have an answer to my repeated questions.
Originally posted by TetragrammatonI'm just curious as to how a GL can attack something he may not even perceive
GL's have in the past absorbed souls into the power ring, transmuted individuals to energy, transmuted individuals to metal, and devolved and evolved individuals among other things. If you think they can't make a person explode, you're seriously grasping.
Originally posted by Tetragrammaton😂 dood, the way you talk about the ring, it's like GLs can just be fatass couchpotatoes who merely command the ring like a genie bottle and can defeat almost all their opponents with a mere thought
As long as the ring can perceive it it doesn't matter. Just tell it to attack and destroy anything moving over a certain speed.
Just to reinforce Val's points, Kyle easily made a building explode from afar without using an energy blast.
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kylevsghoulsandgoblins3yb5.jpg
He could easily do the same thing to a person.
Originally posted by TetragrammatonPre-crisis = no thanks. Post-crisis, I've never seen a GL explode an opponent, or a ship or anything for that matter just by willing it. They'd have to extend their GL ring's aura around it first. Which is a problem against Flash:
GL's have in the past absorbed souls into the power ring, transmuted individuals to energy, transmuted individuals to metal, and devolved and evolved individuals among other things. If you think they can't make a person explode, you're seriously grasping.
Originally posted by TetragrammatonI've seen GLs will their beams to achieve speeds faster then light-speed. But not at the speeds you're speaking of. If they did, then Hal Jordan's attack would not have been negated by Chronos in 'Crisis of Conscience' when he slowed him down. Hal's speech slows down to where a syllable is drawn out into seconds. If his ring really did react as fast as you say and was not tied into his consciousness, then the ring would have done it's work in the space of a syllable without Hal having to finish his thought. But it clearly doesn't. Essentially, that is how a Flash w/o PIS would fight against a GL. They're pretty much statues to Flash. Even after an attack has been unleashed, Flash's are still faster then GL attacks:
The ring can react and move at a rate of lightyears per second.
http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash1hu5.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash2zj8.jpg
Originally posted by batdude123I'd like to see the rest of the panels before I subscribe to the point that a GL can will something to explode without extending their ring's aura around it first. A panel where something explodes is not going to convince me. Do you have the rest of the comic or is that from a respect thread?
Just to reinforce Val's points, Kyle easily made a building explode from afar without using an energy blast.http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kylevsghoulsandgoblins3yb5.jpg
He could easily do the same thing to a person.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
😂 dood, the way you talk about the ring, it's like GLs can just be fatass couchpotatoes who merely command the ring like a genie bottle and can defeat almost all their opponents with a mere thought
I don't even want to start with how laughable this post is considering how you're viewing Flash in this thread.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
😂 dood, the way you talk about the ring, it's like GLs can just be fatass couchpotatoes who merely command the ring like a genie bottle and can defeat almost all their opponents with a mere thought
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'd like to see the rest of the panels before I subscribe to the point that a GL can will something to explode without extending their ring's aura around it first. A panel where something explodes is not going to convince me. Do you have the rest of the comic or is that from a respect thread?
I have the rest of the comic, but my scanner is broken.
It came from the JLA: Divided We Fall arc.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Pre-crisis = no thanks. Post-crisis, I've never seen a GL explode an opponent, or a ship or anything for that matter just by willing it. They'd have to extend their GL ring's aura around it first. Which is a problem against Flash:
I've seen GLs will their beams to achieve speeds faster then light-speed. But not at the speeds you're speaking of. If they did, then Hal Jordan's attack would not have been negated by Chronos in 'Crisis of Conscience' when he slowed him down. Hal's speech slows down to where a syllable is drawn out into seconds. If his ring really did react as fast as you say and was not tied into his consciousness, then the ring would have done it's work in the space of a syllable without Hal having to finish his thought. But it clearly doesn't. Essentially, that is how a Flash w/o PIS would fight against a GL. They're pretty much statues to Flash. Even after an attack has been unleashed, Flash's are still faster then GL attacks:http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash1hu5.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash2zj8.jpg
Originally posted by Tetragrammaton
As long as the ring can perceive it it doesn't matter. Just tell it to attack and destroy anything moving over a certain speed.
QFT.
A GL can simply tell the ring to stop Flash and hold him in place once he gets within a certain distance.
I know its already been stated, but the GL's reaction has been mentioned. True the HUMAN himself has regular reaction times, but the ring operates on a much faster lvl. Its like Zoom running around punching members of the JLA in the face, yet GL can catch him. Lately, a GL has turned an enemy into ashes(Kilowog). Also, the GL shield has been mentioned. Are people confusing the shield with the aura thats normally worn? The aura alone can take a nice deal of damage whereas the shield at highest level(since we're talking about highest levels) can take things at planet destruction lvl's. Its also been mentioned that GLs have been taken out by less. So have Flahes. At max lvl's, a GL is beating a Flash.
Originally posted by TetragrammatonNot really. And just for the record, I'm going to go through a whole bunch of Hal Jordan's pre-Crisis feats. I think most people agree that pre-Crisis is crap anyway, but since you believe that Hal has done all sorts of things like devolving people and transmuting them and making them explode wihtout first extending an aura of GL energy around them, then you're wrong, even pre-Crisis wise:
Looks like a lot of speculation to me.
1) The time a pre-Crisis Hal Jordan devolved The Shark (not even valid anymore post-Crisis), he extended an aura of GL energy around him directly from his ring:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/16105f0f.jpg
2) The time a pre-Crisis Hal Jordan transmuted his friend into a bird, his ring extended an aura of GL energy around him:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ca9d1208.jpg
3) Another time a pre-Crisis Hal transmuted a bullet into daisies, same thing:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/bb60346a.jpg
4) Same thing when a pre-Crisis Hal shrunk the original Shaggy Man:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ec72667e.jpg
Need I go on? Now let's step away from pre-Crisis, because this isn't pre-Crisis GL's anyway. Let's look at something a little more recent. How about the time John Stewart sniped and killed Bedovian in 'Sinestro Corps War,' he actually had to see him with a scope construct before taking him out. If he could will him to explode without necessarily having to see him, why didn't he do it? Simple reason: he couldn't. GL's don't simply will things to explode or transmute or shrink or devolve without first extending their GL energy at them, around them, or by snagging them with a construct.
If a Green Lantern can't see his opponent (Bedovian sniping contest) or doesn't have the time to finish a thought (Chronos slowing time down) or shoots energy at an opponent that can outrace his GL energy (Wally picosecond feat), then the GL's gonna have a tough time actually nailing his opponent. I'm looking at specific instances. What are you looking at? I'm not speculating. What are you doing?
A no CIS/PIS Flash can accelerate himself to speeds where he cannot be seen and a no CIS/PIS Flash could finish an attack before a GL could finish a thought and a no CIS/PIS Flash could outrace GL energy. Put 1 + 1 + 1 together and you get 3.
P.S. And batdude123, I don't own 'Divided We Fall,' but I'll look for it. No offense, but I think we've argued over scan interpretations before. I'd like to see it with my own eyes before I dispel what I just set out to prove in the first half of my post. And if anybody else has scans of that feat by Kyle, by all means, please post it. Because if a post-Crisis Kyle can do it, that trumps a pre-Crisis Hal not being able to do it for sure.
