Onslaught, no contest and the fact that he was by far and ....far more powerful being than WWH.
Originally posted by janus77
Hulk has the strength and energies to hang with Skyfathers, but he lack versatility and magical powers.
No he hasn't. He is so below skyfather that it isn't funny. If WWH would face all those at once Onslaught faced, WWH would be a joke and stopped very easily.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Onslaught, no contest and the fact that he was by far and ....far more powerful being than WWH.No he hasn't. He is so below skyfather that it isn't funny. If WWH would face all those at once Onslaught faced, WWH would be a joke and stopped very easily.
Hulk is clearly capable of matching that kind of power with his strength but, as I said before, he lacks in the versatility and magics that would truly elevate him to Skyfather level.
If WWH had taken on all the heroes that Onslaught did, I can't say for sure what would have resulted but one thing is certain, the Earth would have been destroyed because Hulk would have gone WorldBreaker pretty much instantly.
Originally posted by janus77
you say Onslaught is "by far ... more powerful than WWH" and then refuse to acknowledge that Hulk hung in there with Onslaught, trading blows, and even ended up breaking Onslaught's armour. and this was Onslaught at his most powerful, who all the other heroes couldn't do jack to.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Hulk was protected from Onslaughts powerful telepathic attacks when he fought Onslaught.
nobody could "protect" anybody from Onslaught's TP attacks, so I'm a bit sceptical, got a scan?
if world breaker hulk didn't "surrender" he would have done much more damage than onslaught, but since that didn't happen I have to say onslaught had a bigger impact from lead up to aftermath.
technically the lead up to planet hulk/wwh has been since the day banner got hit with the gamma bomb but that shouldn't count due to fairness.
Originally posted by janus77
yes and in no way was that due to Hulk wanting to power-down, to prevent himself going beserk.nice, incisive comment there 'grok. as usual you never fail to live up to your low standards 😐.
Not really, the Hulk isn't in any position to calm himself down.
If he actually had control, Tony wouldn't have had to hit him with the beam. They needed him to stay still.
Originally posted by llagrok
Not really, the Hulk isn't in any position to calm himself down.If he actually had control, Tony wouldn't have had to hit him with the beam. They needed him to stay still.
hmm so Hulk was actually just raging around and totally out of control and somehow Tony managed to tag him with the satellites?
control is not a boolean state, it's measured in degrees. Hulk still had enough control overhimself to pullback and fight the feeling whilst getting Tony to use the satellites to help out.
if you're ready for adult level logic, you might like to check the parallels between Hulk's near total loss of control with that of Strange's when he channeled Zom.
Strange too had enough control to fight against the feeling Zom excited in him (that love of power).
there are differences though, in that Hulk's power does not diminish nor go away, it's there in Banner still, while Strange lost the connection with Zom after spending the channeled power.
Originally posted by janus77
you say Onslaught is "by far ... more powerful than WWH" and then refuse to acknowledge that Hulk hung in there with Onslaught, trading blows, and even ended up breaking Onslaught's armour. and this was Onslaught at his most powerful, who all the other heroes couldn't do jack to.
Onslaught maybe used 1% of his full powers in fight with the Hulk due to that we knew what powers he had, Nate and Franklin Richards, Magneto, Xavier (so probably even 1% is too much), while Hulk used everything he had.
WWH is pretty much an insect compared to the full powers of Onslaught.
Hulk only broke his armor, man, something Onslaught actually wanted.
Onslaught should be able to blink everyone out he faced simultaneously.
He cannot match such reality warping power only with his strength. He lacks extreme power level for matching such power such being as Onslaught.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Onslaught maybe used 1% of his full powers in fight with the Hulk due to that we knew what powers he had, Nate and Franklin Richards, Magneto, Xavier (so probably even 1% is too much), while Hulk used everything he had.WWH is pretty much an insect compared to the full powers of Onslaught.
Hulk only broke his armor, man, something Onslaught actually wanted.Onslaught should be able to blink everyone out he faced simultaneously.
He cannot match such reality warping power only with his strength. He lacks extreme power level for matching such power such being as Onslaught.
unless you have on-panel proof, your assertion of "1% of his full powers" is totally worthless as anything other than an illustration of your bias. as such, you're welcome to think whatever you like, just don't expect it to be taken seriously.
Onslaught fought Hulk physically, Onslaught could not defeat Hulk physically, Onslaught did not just allow Hulk to attack him. everything on-panel suggests that Onslaught was intending to defeat Hulk.
the reasonable reading of why he fought that way is his arrogance, he truly believed that he could defeat Hulk physically... once he became a psi-energy form, he gloated, again proof of arrogance.
as to what "Onslaught should be able to do"... as 100% complete, unsubstantiated speculation, go at it... he was said to be around Celestial level so that's a lot to play with. but remember, it is speculation without basis in fact, in feats, in narration or even in the comments of other characters.
Originally posted by janus77
unless you have on-panel proof, your assertion of "1% of his full powers" is totally worthless as anything other than an illustration of your bias. as such, you're welcome to think whatever you like, just don't expect it to be taken seriously.
He only fought Hulk with strength, never used other powers (nor the power he used to create a sun on a whim. He didn't use any other powers). If he would want to kill the Hulk, he could have done it easily.
His power is level and far beyond the Hulk.
Originally posted by llagrok
Let's see, Onslaught required all the heroes to sacrifice themselves, WWH required Tony to activate his satellites.Hmmmmmmmm.....
My thoughts exactly.
Originally posted by Xplosive
He only fought Hulk with strength, never used other powers (nor the power he used to create a sun on a whim. He didn't use any other powers). If he would want to kill the Hulk, he could have done it easily.
His power is level and far beyond the Hulk.
Exactly. Onslaught wanted him to break his armor.