Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah I wanted to point that out but was worried about appearing to be arguing for digi.. although its not like Eva wasn't just arguing AGAINST Digi...
Because Digi's prep of summoning a bunch of mid tiers and inability to outright tell how he wins and deals with most of my powers was truthfully a good enough reason for him to win 🙄 .
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They're just solid-light holograms. No summoning, no reality manipulation.Not arguing for Digi, just clearing that up.
If that's true, I stand corrected.
Anyway, this match will last up until the next match is posted, so feel free to continue debating if you so choose.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
I always wonder why people seem to think Matter Manipulation will take extreme amounts of time? In every comic I have read about matter manipulation it happens pretty quickly (which is why I could believe Darth having his army of created duplicated).
Not that I want to interrupt the match, but I think I'll share my thoughts...
Really depends on how complex the matter is and how intelligent the user is. Turning a rock into metal or steel shield is one thing, but turning a piece of rock into complex battle suit or complex computer guided tank is another. Remember Molecule Man? He couldn't reform Iron Man's armor because he couldn't understand the complicated circuitry or technology behind it, but had no problem reforming Cap's shield or Thor's hammer.
In regards to goober's match,
It also depends on the raw materials available and the time your have. Does one have the metal allow that might be necessary for certain circuits or parts? What if there is none available on the battlefield? Do you sacrafice quality for quantity? Do you really have the time or energy to create that many? Can you even fit 6 billion people inside a sphere with a diameter 10 miles wide let alone even make that many? 6 billion is roughly the population of human's on the earth.
If matter manipulation becomes anymore of a problem in this tournament, I'll definitely put a limit on it.
Originally posted by Papa Smurphhey papa smurph, just one suggestion for you in future debates is to organize your arguments a bit more clearly
The match is over?Meh, I guess next tourney I'll fill my posts with fluff and employ out of character tactics in an in-character tourney and squeeze in a bunch of loopholes.
when you have long paragraph posts...adding a clear bold label helps voters a great deal in understanding your points. Sometimes when you make a long post without separating your points clearly, many people don't read it carefully or understand it as well.
I thought you made a good point in raising doubt to Digi's prep, but would've liked it if you organized your points more clearly.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
What I'm wondering is how Digi will ultimately put me down. Only thing I've seen is him putting happy thoughts in my head (with the shakey basis that Thor is aware of how his powers work based on childish Savage Hulk bragging) which can be overridden through my own magic tinkering and the fact that my rage will be higher then the Hulk who was shrugging off everything Strange threw at him and the combined telepathic assault of Emma Frost and Professor X (which is ignoring the fact that the Hulk at this point had made a pact with Banner to revert only when he chose, happyness or not, as he will living in bliss with his wife and kids without un-Hulking).There's nothing in Digi's repertoire that can ultimately put me down while there's plenty in mine that can whipe his team out.
Voting for Digi just for sake of you, Stacks, telling shameless lies. Emma DIDN'T even tried to use telepathy on Huc in that ark, instead she telepathically hold X down and then was magically turned into dumb blonde and went HAND TO HAND with Huc.
You can talk shizzle about Jack but please keep your dirty little hands away from Emma- where the f*ck did you get that "combined assault" BS? Xavier just read his mind, said some "elemental of rage" BS and did nothing more, Emma, the best mental surgeon in marvelverse, didn't try any unorthodoxal TP means (thing she's very good) on Huc but went BRAWLING with him...stupid thing only to establish that Emma is a solid class 50 hitter in her diamond form.
And as for the match, the reasons were pretty much stated above- your "analysis" has completely failed.
Zoink$
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Brobinson06/Zoinks.jpg
but I guess the obvious bias in Charolotte's post already makes it a null opinion
Originally posted by Evangel94
Not that I want to interrupt the match, but I think I'll share my thoughts...Really depends on how complex the matter is and how intelligent the user is. Turning a rock into metal or steel shield is one thing, but turning a piece of rock into complex battle suit or complex computer guided tank is another. Remember Molecule Man? He couldn't reform Iron Man's armor because he couldn't understand the complicated circuitry or technology behind it, but had no problem reforming Cap's shield or Thor's hammer.
But that's why I have Reed and Lex, who do know how to build the things I'm making. Problem solved.
Also, sorry for not clarifying, but Reed's helmet was just solid light constructs like Sym said.
Originally posted by Evangel94
If matter manipulation becomes anymore of a problem in this tournament, I'll definitely put a limit on it.
Why is it a problem? Because there's discussion on the characters that use it? That's to be expected in a tournament for any character. Smurph is an exception though, who has a hard time debating against someone without trying to trash their entire plan, even the parts that make perfect sense.
In any case, nothing I've ever done is against your rules, so I really hope we don't resort to making more limits...because it could ruin my (or others'😉 plans entirely, and it wouldn't be consistent with the rules we drafted under.
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Anyway, thanks for the votes everyone. My team seems to enjoy controversy, but I've proven everything to a ridiculous degree and also made sure everything I do is legal. So if it seems like I'm > some teams and meshes, well I guess I'm just that good.
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Basically it comes down to my correct assertion of your clear violations of the rules but the voters not really caring. 🙂
I like how your plans make perfect sense
though they were clear loopholes that required a change/elaboration of the matter manip rule (which basically fit my original assessment of you being able to produce the raw materials but not the actual equipment).
Votes might not show it, but you sure did get worked 😂
I think that the Doctor and Thor have a chance of taking down your team with the tactical help of the other two geniuses. I tried to vote not considering if tech was invalid or not, and I was really close to lean to your side at several points of the argumentation, but according to Evangel's latest ruling we should play it as if Digi's prep still worked, giving him yet another edge to his side.
So my decision rests in the Doctor + Thor + brains against your amalgam and not the tech illegal or not. Debate that and prove me wrong.
I trapped the Doctor in a forcefield of chaos (which Digi danced around and conceeded and his basic argument was rawr Jeroen feats) and beat Thor by amping myself up to his Warriors Madness levels and the fact that in-character Thor would likely attempt to slug it out and fail miserably as in-character nobody on my team knows about my inability to be directly attacked.
Almost like how in-character the Doctor hasn't proven it feasible to use any of Digi's attacks as he himself has never even used them......ever.
Yup, the reason why Fate went to such brutal methods was because Curse did this to his woman
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/Brobinson06/Ouchies.jpg
I'm already pissed at stuff, so the motif is there.
