Originally posted by llagrokNo seriously. When has a post-Crisis Green Lantern simulated a different kind of energy with their rings?
The fact that it can create all kinds of energy? It's like claiming that someone with matter manipulation wouldn't be capable of manipulating a certain element, because they've never used THAT particular element.If SHIP can figure it out, a GL ring would have no trouble at all.
Originally posted by SoljerNo really. When has a post-Crisis Green Lantern simulated a different kind of energy with their rings? It seems preposterous that they couldn't, but I'd like to see it on-panel before assuming they could. Truly. I'm not kidding.
ahahahhahaa"Where is the evidence that Green Lanterns can create and manipulate energy?"
is akin to asking
"Who says Superman can fire lasers out of his eyes?! I don't think he can do that..."
I'm feeling Hal on this one, but he has quite a few low showings when tangling with characters that can break through his solidified constructs (Lobo being one of them and can't even fly). The Fallen One can fly and has shown to be class 100.
If Hal can funnel off his cosmic energy to weaken him then he would surely win this, but if it got all up close and personal???
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No seriously. When has a post-Crisis Green Lantern simulated a different kind of energy with their rings?
No really. When has a post-Crisis Green Lantern simulated a different kind of energy with their rings? It seems preposterous that they couldn't, but I'd like to see it on-panel before assuming they could. Truly. I'm not kidding.
Rather than saying PRe-Crisis, you should probably specify "In continuity", since a lot of those Pre-Crisis stories get referenced in Post Crisis stories.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
But can they replicate energy to go up against Fallen One?
I don't know if they can replicate that particular type of energy, since I don't think any GL has ever encountered the Fallen One in particular, or been forced to replicate that particular energy.
But they can scan and discover that someone is a kryptonian, and then create kryptonite radiation.
Personally I don't know who would win.
What has Fallen One actually accomplished for you to give him this level of credit?
Originally posted by DesaadWell show me "in continuity" scans of where they replicate different forms of energy with their rings.
Rather than saying PRe-Crisis, you should probably specify "In continuity", since a lot of those Pre-Crisis stories get referenced in Post Crisis stories.
Originally posted by DesaadShow us where they do this.
I don't know if they can replicate that particular type of energy, since I don't think any GL has ever encountered the Fallen One in particular, or been forced to replicate that particular energy.But they can scan and discover that someone is a kryptonian, and then create kryptonite radiation.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well show me "in continuity" scans of where they replicate different forms of energy with their rings.
Show us where they do this.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/fc994039.jpg
For you.
Kyle has done it too.
Originally posted by DesaadThat scan is from Green Lantern: Legacy - The Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan. And that guy making kryptonite is actually Pieface, not Hal Jordan. And Pieface was given what appeared to be a Green Lantern ring, but was actually the Power of the Guardians. Which ended up recreating Oa on it's own.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/fc994039.jpgFor you.
Kyle has done it too.
I don't doubt that Hal has limited transmutation. But creating a mineral like kryptonite or plutonium that has it's own radiation is not exactly the same thing. Especially not in Fallen One's case, as the energy that weakened him was not mineral-specific, but the residual energy from recently deceased souls. So the question remains:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well show me "in continuity" scans of where they replicate different forms of energy with their rings.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That scan is from Green Lantern: Legacy - The Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan. And that guy making kryptonite is actually Pieface, not Hal Jordan. And Pieface was given what appeared to be a Green Lantern ring, but was actually the Power of the Guardians. Which ended up recreating Oa on it's own.
I disagree.
Not only was that not the case, but in fact the ring come alive, but Tom makes it clear that "marty" was born as Hal flew to Oa, BEFORE he got the Guardians' power. Kyle links it to the son because it was Hal's GL energy, with Hal's mind imprinted onto it.
Most damning to your idea, of course, is the fact that these were plans CONCEIVED by Hal Jordan. What you're looking at are Flash backs, as Hal explains to Tom how he would take down the JLA -- why in the world would he come up with a plan that he couldn't execute? Why would he say that the ring can create Kryptonite -- when it couldnt?
I don't doubt that Hal has limited transmutation.
I should hope not, given that we just recently saw him transmute Adam Strange into his normal human body after he was half converted to water.
But creating a mineral like kryptonite or plutonium that has it's own radiation is not exactly the same thing. Especially not in Fallen One's case, as the energy that weakened him was not mineral-specific, but the residual energy from recently deceased souls. So the question remains:
I suspect that no matter what example anyone gives, you'll reason that since it isn't EXACTLY the type of energy Fallen One showed, it doesn't count. Would GL's absorbing soul energy change your mind? Or turning themselves into pure thought energy? Would Hal recreating a constrictor object he had scanned earlier do it? Or retaliating against a foe by using the same type of psionic attack they used against him, essentially copying that type of energy?
Would any of these things do it, or would you reason that because we've never seen Hal create energy akin to those created by dying souls, he wouldn't be capable of doing so in this one?
And as for recreating a planet being out of the realm for a GL...Katma Tui and John Stewart did just that in the old GL issues, Kyle Rayner has done that twice (once around Traitor, and once he recreated the planet Pluto).
Considering that what you call "the Guardian's power" soon went onto to become Kilowog's ring, I think it's pretty obvious that it was just a GL ring.
Originally posted by DesaadWhat exactly are you disagreeing with me here on? That it was not Hal Jordan, but Pieface that actually is accomplishing the feat? That the ring was not actually a standard GL ring but something else? And did I say that Hal couldn't transmute kryptonite... or did I say that "I don't doubt that Hal has limited transmutation." I know Pieface was using Hal's old stories/plans to do what he did. But nothing I said was incorrect.
I disagree.Not only was that not the case, but in fact the ring come alive, but Tom makes it clear that "marty" was born as Hal flew to Oa, BEFORE he got the Guardians' power. Kyle links it to the son because it was Hal's GL energy, with Hal's mind imprinted onto it.
Most damning to your idea, of course, is the fact that these were plans CONCEIVED by Hal Jordan. What you're looking at are Flash backs, as Hal explains to Tom how he would take down the JLA -- why in the world would he come up with a plan that he couldn't execute? Why would he say that the ring can create Kryptonite -- when it couldnt?
Originally posted by DesaadThe issue with Fallen One is moot. Since everybody agrees that Hal doesn't know that he is susceptible to that kind of radiation. There's no need to dodge by bringing up and scrutinizing a side issue, because the question remains the same:
I should hope not, given that we just recently saw him transmute Adam Strange into his normal human body after he was half converted to water.I suspect that no matter what example anyone gives, you'll reason that since it isn't EXACTLY the type of energy Fallen One showed, it doesn't count. Would GL's absorbing soul energy change your mind? Or turning themselves into pure thought energy? Would Hal recreating a constrictor object he had scanned earlier do it? Or retaliating against a foe by using the same type of psionic attack they used against him, essentially copying that type of energy?
Would any of these things do it, or would you reason that because we've never seen Hal create energy akin to those created by dying souls, he wouldn't be capable of doing so in this one?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No seriously. When has a post-Crisis Green Lantern simulated a different kind of energy with their rings?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No really. When has a post-Crisis Green Lantern simulated a different kind of energy with their rings? It seems preposterous that they couldn't, but I'd like to see it on-panel before assuming they could. Truly. I'm not kidding.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Is it that hard to answer this simple question?
Well show me "in continuity" scans of where they replicate different forms of energy with their rings.
Originally posted by DesaadAre you referring to when Stewart and Katma terraformed an asteroid? That's not a planet-making feat, dude. At all. IIRC, Kyle only pieced back a planet's debris and trapped Traitor inside it. That's not even close to recreating Oa in it's entirety sans Guardians. Kyle also recreated Pluto in his Our Worlds At War tie-in issue where he was tapping into the residual Ion power in the sun.
And as for recreating a planet being out of the realm for a GL...Katma Tui and John Stewart did just that in the old GL issues, Kyle Rayner has done that twice (once around Traitor, and once he recreated the planet Pluto).Considering that what you call "the Guardian's power" soon went onto to become Kilowog's ring, I think it's pretty obvious that it was just a GL ring.
While I don't remember the origin of Kilowog's current ring, considering that this portion of the "Guardian's power" spent a lot of itself recreating Oa, I don't doubt that it could be refashioned into a standard GL ring. Anyway, answer the above question. I'm not rehashing years of continuity of GL history. I just want a simple answer to my simple question.
