Originally posted by Utrigita
If we want to have low showings we might as well go straight into the Sue Storm destroying Exitars Physical shell a Ability Galactus has shown himself capable of duplicating.
Tell the story behind the feat. She was only able to do so because why? Her powers are of the same manifestation of what Sue's powers are composed of.
Lets not talk about low showings though. Thing did knock Galactus on his ass. I believe Thor did a good job of that as well and I'm talking about an entirely differently instance than the one where he sent him fleeing for his life.
Originally posted by Larceny
As I failed to see when Exitar, at any point was in any danger from Thor.Nor is it the comparison you're trying to make.
'cos I do believe getting your dome piece broken when you're supposed to be a powerful Celestial just come to obliterate a planet is rather worse than deciding to retreat because your hunger and weakness got you into such a state that you were willing to attempt to feed on a living planet and then got into a confrontation with a runt who, in your current vulnerable state, might actually harm you.
my point was that you dismiss Galactus whilst elevating Exitar, when Exitar has been shown to be quite terrestrial at times too.
Galactus' potential and function are all you can really have to go on, for an estimation of 616 Galactus' chances. and those things put him beyond Exitar, imo.
Originally posted by janus77
well then, might I suggest glasses?'cos I do believe getting your dome piece broken when you're supposed to be a powerful Celestial just come to obliterate a planet is rather worse than deciding to retreat because your hunger and weakness got you into such a state that you were willing to attempt to feed on a living planet and then got into a confrontation with a runt who, in your current vulnerable state, might actually harm you.
my point was that you dismiss Galactus whilst elevating Exitar, when Exitar has been shown to be quite terrestrial at times too.
Galactus' potential and function are all you can really have to go on, for an estimation of 616 Galactus' chances. and those things put him beyond Exitar, imo.
What happened after his dome piece was destroyed? Do you remember what happened?
Originally posted by Bentley
An starving Galactus that was fighting Ego just before and that offered no defense against Thor, this full powered Galactus is obviously expected to be better.Full-powered Galactus is not just a figment of my imagination, it can be mesured as the best and most powerful Galan showings or stronger than that by mere logical extrapolation -as Galactus has never been stated as full-powered. I'm using the Earth X showing just as a gauge since Galactus has never battled Celestials, from here I may as well try to prove than 616 Galactus is the strongest one of them all and back up my source, to begin with we know that 616 Galan HAS the Ultimate Nullifier.
However if you need an in-cannon source of comparation, Galan is equaled to the strongest of the celestials in rank during the post annihilation herald tie ins. Is that a battle feat? Nope, but Galan defeated the ancient beings shown.
If you are going to dismiss people who are trying to decide about battles by extrapolating feats of characters that have never fought you may as well not post in those threads or just ignore them.
Bumping end of page.
I must point out that while Galactus has a written in excuse to have low showings -his hunger- Exitar has none. Galactus low showings are irrelevant at this should be Galactus at his fullest potential.
Originally posted by Larceny
Tell the story behind the feat. She was only able to do so because why? Her powers are of the same manifestation of what Sue's powers are composed of.Lets not talk about low showings though. Thing did knock Galactus on his ass. I believe Thor did a good job of that as well and I'm talking about an entirely differently instance than the one where he sent him fleeing for his life.
Gladly Exitar had a weakness to her attack, but when Galactus is capable of duplicating the attack put to a much greater extant then I see Exitar going down, and even if Galactus couldn't replicate the feat Imo he would still defeat Exitar.
Oh yes he punched him back and Galactus commented "You are different from the Thing that I originally encountered never mind you must be punished for your insolence." Except Thor didn't exactly knock Galactus on his ass but managed to drain the Biosphere energy from a Weakend Galactus because of his Godblast A weakend Galactus which we know today contain enough energy to blast the negative zone and the 616 reality to dust, according to Annihilus (assistance from Thanos).
Sue destroys exitar due to manipulation of hyperspace.
Originally posted by Galan007
Here is Sue's best feat BY FAR imo....Sue concentrated her power at the Celestial Exitar's armor, and was able to break through it and get inside of him..... This is unheard of!:
Sue then went on to litterally destroy Exitar from the inside out:
Of course the rest of the Celestials would just be able to manifest another Exitar.
But the fact still remains that the friggin Invisible Woman was able to take a Celestial down!
Respect Sue!
Sue uses her powers with lethal intention against an alternate galactus. 616 Galactus>>>all alternate Galacti
The attack does nothing. Celestials (specifically to this debate, Exitar) have hyperspace in them.
This is what Galactus does to the progeny of Rachel Summers and Franklin Richards, who has total mastery of hyperspace.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Anyway, Galactus is hungry, so he starts feeding off of Hyperstorm, and Hyperstorm is helpless to stop him.
Then when Reed's machine stops working, Galactus brings him to the void.
Stalemate my ass...
Also, Galactus came back, and Hyperstorm didn't... so...
In terms of low showings, Galactus has more. That already has been pointed out as situational, where he is starving/hungry.
Now, pose the same question for high showings? Who has more high showings? Who has "higher" high showings?
hmmI should've posted sooner
Utrigita and Tenebrous both respect my answer. As i do theirs
Someone mentioned, Big G greater than a Celestial. Scathan the Approver ❌
I think we all agree Big G has too many low showings. Kirby made the Celestials to surpass Galactus and the Watchers
Yeah, Sue 'beat' Exitar. Wraithwings humbled Galactus. Pretty even with low showings. Its attributed to bad writing
Some will say Big G beats a Celestial. Cool. Others agree Celestials>Galactus. Like I've said before, it merits a worthy debate
Originally posted by Tenebrous
Sue destroys exitar due to manipulation of hyperspace.Sue uses her powers with lethal intention against an alternate galactus. 616 Galactus>>>all alternate Galacti
The attack does nothing. Celestials (specifically to this debate, Exitar) have hyperspace in them.
This is what Galactus does to the progeny of Rachel Summers and Franklin Richards, who has total mastery of hyperspace.
In terms of low showings, Galactus has more. That already has been pointed out as situational, where he is starving/hungry.
Now, pose the same question for high showings? Who has more high showings? Who has "higher" high showings?
As Always Tenebrous a great post. I would like to comment a bit on one of the scans in particular the One where Sue Uses her power with lethal intention please note that in the bottom of the scan Sue talks about how Galactus have redublicated her shield much like Hyperstorm did to her originally.
Furthermore we know from Annihilation that Galactus badly weakend destroyed a Watcher along with a couple of starsystems, We know that Exitar had gathered his energy for eons for a confrontation with the Watchers which should end in the Watchers destruction. The majority of the watchers was gathered on the same planet and still Exitar had to gather energy for eons. The Celestials and Watchers are roughly consideret equals with a slight edge to the Celestials in overall abilities and so forth and remember how easily a Badly weakend Galactus managed to destroy a watcher, the watchers which has survived universal destruction, and observed the Battle between eternity and Thanos W/IG up close without substaining damage from the battle.
Galactus cannot beat millions Celestials. But when Tiamut the strongest of them all -barring Scathan-, used Galactus as a weapon to destroy a universe -alternate world- we get the picture: A celestial needs Galactus as a weapon, this means that Galactus is beyond his own powers, even if not by much.
what Tiamut maneuvered Galactus to do was just as possible for Galactus to do without Tiamut, imo.
it's not as if Galactus was given new powers, was given more power or anything. simple his will was overriden. whereas previously he was all about the Cosmic Consonance, at that point, he did not care any more.
500,000 yrs later when Tiamut awoke, Uatu and Galactus knew fear. That speaks volume
Big G won't beat billions of Celestials. Too many
Someone referenced Earth X. Franklin Richards was Galactus as long as no one told him he wasn't. Heroes Reborn Frankie Richards was said to equal 1 Celestial, yet when Frankie died, it was Ashema the Listener who resurrected him. During the Abraxas saga, Frankie and Valeria Richards used their Celestial powers to reconstitute Galactus. Last point, Full Potential Galactus=Eternity. Eternity is prolly the greatest jobber ever. Saying that, he has recreated Earth. I know Big G hasn't done that. Eternity shares a bond with the Celestials, yet who's Scathan the Approver. The Blue Celestial was birthed in the Black Galaxy
Originally posted by guy222
Eternity is prolly the greatest jobber ever. Saying that, he has recreated Earth. I know Big G hasn't done that. Eternity shares a bond with the Celestials, yet who's Scathan the Approver. The Blue Celestial was birthed in the Black Galaxy
i agree guy. i thought you were a fan of eternity? 😂 eternity jobs to every cosmic-level threat. even that issue of FF, maybe it was 8 issues or 9 issues ago, where eternity was "catatonic" due to some cosmic parasites....and storm and the rest of the ff were able to "revive" eternity, complete BS.
a bunch of space parasites replicating what the unified power of 5 cosmic containment units can do? complete BS.
Big G has recreated Zenn La. So exact was his recreation that he fooled SS, Mephisto, and......the Celestials.
I know where you stand Guy, utrigita and I respect your stance. Scathan vs. big G...well I think Big G may have to break out his special gun for that.
Exitar vs. Big G, exitar=extra-large pizza for big G
Originally posted by Bentley
I know, I was pointing out that Tiamut needed Galactus, the rest is in Galan's power set.
yeah. that's been one of my primary arguments when debates about Tiamut-as one of the most powerful (or the most powerful, depends on some interpretations) celestials-vs. Galactus appear
i'll just quote from the celestial respect thread again, since i'm too lazy to post my own scans.
Originally posted by Evolve
[b]The Black Celestial.Realized how far above the other celestials he was. Using Big G he would become a nucleus and the founder of a new universe.
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first scan shows arishem the judge and eson the searcher, and a few other celestials, "listening" to tiamut and showing him respect.
second scan shows that while imprisoned on earth, his energies were being slowly restored by the crypt his deviants had built. eventually he would return to his former power levels, allowing him to break free of his prison.
to engineer his revenge, he looks to control an external source of power. that said power source is quoted as "incalculable."
so, while Tiamut realized he was far above the other celestials, banding together they defeated him. So his power is not quite far above them enough to enable him to defeat them on his own, thus his need for external power, in the form of Galactus.
now some will argue that Galactus needed external manipulation to reach those power levels. That is true. But the manipulation wasn't the range of his power, only the scope. If you use the ultimate nullifier to nullify 10 planets, and I use the ultimate nullifier to nullify 20 planets, we use the same power, only i use it to larger scope. meaning, both of us wield the power necessary to destroy the planets, i only use it to greater "range."
it is already within galactus' power-set to do what Tiamut could not.
There are a few factors which prevent Galactus from replicating the feat he did while under the manipulations of Tiamut:
1. His hunger can temporarily be satiated
Galactus' hunger temporarily abates after consuming planets, before returning again in about 1 month's time. However, it depends I guess on the situation. In the hyperstorm scans i quoted above, reed explained that hyperstorm had a limitless access to hyerspace energy, and galactus had perpetual hunger. so the last reed sees of them, they are locked together as galactus feeds on hyperstorm. however galactus has long since returned, and hyperstorm has not.
2. He has no inentions of destroying his universe
As a character, Galactus has always been written, ever since fantastic four #48, as a prime cosmic force, indifferent to human affairs and neither malevolent nor benevolent. He is above petty concerns. To my knowledge, he is the only character in all of Marvel to not ever have been tempted, in the slightest, to use all infinity gems to control reality and alter the universe for personal gain ("bad" personal gain in the case of thanos and the magus, "good" personal gain in the case of reed, "perfect" personal gain in the case of adam warlock, and Eternity, whom the IG-omniscient adam warlock stated would question his (meaning, Eternity's) place in the cosmic order behind LT if Eternity had possession of the IG). That alone should stand testament to the dreams of conquest, revenge, power, etc. that Galactus has: none at all. As written in comics, Galactus would never, with willful intention, exercise harm to the universe...he and Eternity are closely bound together in many ways. So, Galactus as a character has no motivation to actively pursue more than is required, and to consume/destroy the universe. Can he do it? yes, he can, as shown. Would he do it? No. Galactus has come to the defense of the universe multiple times (Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War, Hunger, Abraxas, Proemial Gods, Annihilation wave, Impossible Man) and has threatened the universe of his own accord zero times.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
yeah. that's been one of my primary arguments when debates about Tiamut-as one of the most powerful (or the most powerful, depends on some interpretations) celestials-vs. Galactus appeari'll just quote from the celestial respect thread again, since i'm too lazy to post my own scans.
first scan shows arishem the judge and eson the searcher, and a few other celestials, "listening" to tiamut and showing him respect.
second scan shows that while imprisoned on earth, his energies were being slowly restored by the crypt his deviants had built. eventually he would return to his former power levels, allowing him to break free of his prison.
to engineer his revenge, he looks to control an external source of power. that said power source is quoted as "incalculable."
so, while Tiamut realized he was far above the other celestials, banding together they defeated him. So his power is not quite far above them enough to enable him to defeat them on his own, thus his need for external power, in the form of Galactus.
now some will argue that Galactus needed external manipulation to reach those power levels. That is true. But the manipulation wasn't the range of his power, only the scope. If you use the ultimate nullifier to nullify 10 planets, and I use the ultimate nullifier to nullify 20 planets, we use the same power, only i use it to larger scope. meaning, both of us wield the power necessary to destroy the planets, i only use it to greater "range."
it is already within galactus' power-set to do what Tiamut could not.
There are a few factors which prevent Galactus from replicating the feat he did while under the manipulations of Tiamut:
1. [B]His hunger can temporarily be satiated
Galactus' hunger temporarily abates after consuming planets, before returning again in about 1 month's time. However, it depends I guess on the situation. In the hyperstorm scans i quoted above, reed explained that hyperstorm had a limitless access to hyerspace energy, and galactus had perpetual hunger. so the last reed sees of them, they are locked together as galactus feeds on hyperstorm. however galactus has long since returned, and hyperstorm has not.2. He has no inentions of destroying his universe
As a character, Galactus has always been written, ever since fantastic four #48, as a prime cosmic force, indifferent to human affairs and neither malevolent nor benevolent. He is above petty concerns. To my knowledge, he is the only character in all of Marvel to not ever have been tempted, in the slightest, to use all infinity gems to control reality and alter the universe for personal gain ("bad" personal gain in the case of thanos and the magus, "good" personal gain in the case of reed, "perfect" personal gain in the case of adam warlock, and Eternity, whom the IG-omniscient adam warlock stated would question his (meaning, Eternity's) place in the cosmic order behind LT if Eternity had possession of the IG). That alone should stand testament to the dreams of conquest, revenge, power, etc. that Galactus has: none at all. As written in comics, Galactus would never, with willful intention, exercise harm to the universe...he and Eternity are closely bound together in many ways. So, Galactus as a character has no motivation to actively pursue more than is required, and to consume/destroy the universe. Can he do it? yes, he can, as shown. Would he do it? No. Galactus has come to the defense of the universe multiple times (Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War, Hunger, Abraxas, Proemial Gods, Annihilation wave, Impossible Man) and has threatened the universe of his own accord zero times. [/B]
Well stated. We also know that Galactus of universe 616 has an ultimate nullifier with multiverse level ability from the Abraxas saga. During the Black Celestial arc, he was literally eating space and time - in other words had it continued, he would have eaten into the timestream of universe 616 itself and consumed it whole! The universe in which he existed in was a future timestream of 616. At that point it would put him at equal to Multi-Eternity in terms of power level. That would indicate that he is normally a geometrically lower level of power compared with his full power.
Good points again, Tenebrous
Let me add a few about Tiamut. During the 2nd series of Eternals, it states he's the greatest Celestial to stride the galaxy. I will dig up the scan when I return from the hospital
2nd Celestial Host imprisioned Tiamut by using "The Weapon". 12 'Eyes' made him aware of his crime
Gaiman's run(Eternals 1-7, I highly recommend) makes it clear, he's the baddest Celestial(Earth-616). "He's the most dangerous thing on Earth" "He's God"
Originally posted by guy222
Good points again, TenebrousLet me add a few about Tiamut. During the 2nd series of Eternals, it states he's the greatest Celestial to stride the galaxy. I will dig up the scan when I return from the hospital
2nd Celestial Host imprisioned Tiamut by using "The Weapon". 12 'Eyes' made him aware of his crime
Gaiman's run(Eternals 1-7, I highly recommend) makes it clear, he's the baddest Celestial(Earth-616). "He's the most dangerous thing on Earth" "He's God"
thanks guy. in my estimation (and you know, i don't like including that cameo appearance of scathan) i conisder tiamut >>> all other celestials, if only because they needed to unite against him, and of course use "the weapon" to take him down.
I have gaiman's eternals 😈
