Originally posted by Galan007
so did damn near every other DC hero. you know why? because instead of actually using their powers [weird concept, i know] they just bum-rushed teth. a textbook demonstration of pis.srsly
Hey, i'm on your side. I agree it was garbage.
Firestorm could have stopped him but yet he decided to try a physical assault. Brilliant!
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Well Nihil never specified which version of FS.Ronnie FS 6/10
Current FS 8/10
Stein FS grants Hanks wish to die.
I'm not sure where these numbers come from. As shown, Henshaw (at least when it comes to his own physical form) can do some complex matter manip as well and has never shown a weakness to matter manipulation.
Once you take matter manip out of the equation for FS...what's left? A physical assault? That would be a bloodbath in Borgs favor. Stein is extremely intelligent, but so is Henshaw.
Are there any examples of uber durability for Firestorm that I'm missing?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0during WW3 all we saw FS do was rush in at teth, along with a wave of DC heroes. he used no powers whatsoever and was grabbed by the throat and tossed aside. in fact, the only characters who really did use any of their powers wisely were j'onn, and captain marvel. everyone else pretty much went 'full retard' with that battle. meh.
^ Are there particular panels of Firestorm throwing a punch at Black Adam or are we just assuming he was brawling? As far as I saw, most everyone was fighting Black Adam with their powers.
Originally posted by Avlonjason was able to throw fisticuffs with an amped kalibak for a brief while, before owning him via some type of uber explosion. so saying it would be a "bloodbath" in henshaw's favor if jason were to engage him physically, is a tinge over the top. i know you like henshaw - but if he did take this, he would not do so easily imo.
Once you take matter manip out of the equation for FS...what's left? A physical assault? That would be a bloodbath in Borgs favor. Stein is extremely intelligent, but so is Henshaw.
Originally posted by Galan007
jason was able to throw fisticuffs with an amped kalibak for a brief while, before owning him via some type of uber explosion. so saying it would be a "bloodbath" in henshaw's favor if jason were to engage him physically, is a tinge over the top. i know you like henshaw - but if he did take this, he would not do so easily imo.
It's bad both ways. Some of the FS wins results are quite over the top themselves....
The example you gave is pretty respectable. Is this in his respect thread by the way? I'm aware of FS power set...it's his durability I'm curious about. I know he's enhanced but as far as I've known he's nowhere near Superman/GL/Mongul/Eradicator level.
Originally posted by Avlon
It's bad both ways. Some of the FS wins results are quite over the top themselves....The example you gave is pretty respectable. Is this in his respect thread by the way? I'm aware of FS power set...it's his durability I'm curious about. I know he's enhanced but as far as I've known he's nowhere near Superman/GL/Mongul/Eradicator level.
Depends which one, E Firestorm is over their level.
Originally posted by AvlonFS took strike after strike from the amped kalibak, and just kept coming. that tells me quite a bit about his durability, considering this same kalibak wtfpwned/ko'd orion with very little effort.
it's his durability I'm curious about. I know he's enhanced but as far as I've known he's nowhere near Superman/GL/Mongul/Eradicator level.
Originally posted by Galan007The Guy and John Stewart were using their rings. As was Alan Scott. The Teen Titans were all using their powers (poor Terra). Steel and his daughter tried using a missile before Booster Gold stole it. Stargirl was using her staff. Wonder Girl was using her lasso. You could assume that Firestorm never used his powers in the absence of any depiction. Especially if you've been reading comics as long as I have and understand the inverse ninja rule applies even to heroes. But to me, the single issue in Countdown and the World War III specials didn't really convey a sense of mass retardation on the heroes' part.
during WW3 all we saw FS do was rush in at teth, along with a wave of DC heroes. he used no powers whatsoever and was grabbed by the throat and tossed aside. in fact, the only characters who really did use any of their powers wisely were j'onn, and captain marvel. everyone else pretty much went 'full retard' with that battle. meh.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0it did to me. teth is not that uber. even during WW3. had all those heroes used their powers like we know they are capable of, things would've been much different. anyhow, this is going way off topic lol
But to me, the single issue in Countdown and the World War III specials didn't really convey a sense of mass retardation on the heroes' part.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Agreed.
The Guy and John Stewart were using their rings. As was Alan Scott. The Teen Titans were all using their powers (poor Terra). Steel and his daughter tried using a missile before Booster Gold stole it. Stargirl was using her staff. Wonder Girl was using her lasso. You could assume that Firestorm never used his powers in the absence of any depiction. Especially if you've been reading comics as long as I have and understand the inverse ninja rule applies even to heroes. But to me, the single issue in Countdown and the World War III specials didn't really convey a sense of mass retardation on the heroes' part.