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Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Bane takes this,the only way Mara was able to fight so well with Caedus was because she got in him into a location that neutralizes his advantage over her.
Are you sure?
As I recall, though her Force powers were "crude" compared to his own, she defeated him by fighting smarter. She baited him and turned the fight to her advantage, using deception, subterfuge, the environment, and superior experience as an assassin and combatant.
She was trained as the Emperor's Hand, after all, and they're among the most skilled fighters in the mythos. You saw what Lumiya did to Luke.
Originally posted by Gideon
Are you sure?As I recall, though her Force powers were "crude" compared to his own, she defeated him by fighting smarter. She baited him and turned the fight to her advantage, using deception, subterfuge, the environment, and superior experience as an assassin and combatant.
She was trained as the Emperor's Hand, after all, and they're among the most skilled fighters in the mythos. You saw what Lumiya did to Luke.
Agreed, I never said she was bad and her training is very impressive though I doubt she can stand up to RO2 Bane who was able to stand up two 2 jedi masters and at one point a third jedi all the while the jedi were being aided by battle meditation and he was controlling the fight.
A close match? Not necessarily. Mara Jade Skywalker's victory over Jacen Solo was completely the result of greater experience and greater cunning; she had been trained as a Force-assisted assassin by the Emperor, and was likely privy to training by the greatest resources of the Empire, whereas Jacen Solo was not as fortunate. A Jedi's primary role is to be a guardian of peace, so it is not likely that their combat expertise would be equal to a trained killer. Meanwhile, while Darth Bane is not an assassin, he is a highly trained and powerful Sith Lord with likely less scruples than Mara, and he's brilliant in his own right.
Originally posted by skywalker833
Yes, a close match. That is what i said, is it not? Mara jade has enough skill to hold her own against bane. Though he would win in the end.
Not really. Mara's training and experience as an assassin are in excess of Bane's, but by all accounts, he's not as dimwitted as Jacen is. By fighting smart, which he does, he can nullify her advantage.
Originally posted by skywalker833
I never said Mara would win, i said it would be a close match. Mara is a powerful jedi, she can hold her own.
A powerful Jedi? Sure. But Darth Bane is among the strongest Sith Lords there is. He's brilliant and has access to arsenals of power that Mara does not. His power, like Jacen's, exceeds Mara's and unlike Jacen, he's not foolish or deluded.
You have to prove that she'd "hold her own".
First of all, Bane has no idea of the techniques mara knows, mara put up a great fight against caedus,(and no matter what you say, is quite wise) and defeated luuke and c'baoth. What more do i need to say. I'm not disagreeing with you, bane is more powerful, i'm just saying mara can put up an awesome fight!
Originally posted by skywalker833
First of all, Bane has no idea of the techniques mara knows,
I don't recall saying that he did. Furthermore, unless she's learned any particularly useful ones, I doubt it'll matter. Because, Luke Skywalker has not had any true foundation of Force knowledge to work with, and Palpatine was big on posting limitations for his underlings.
mara put up a great fight against caedus,(and no matter what you say, is quite wise)
Actually, Caedus has essentially been defeated in every single engagement, and got his ass kicked by his post-middle-aged-aunt, despite vastly superior Force capabilities. Not exactly a beacon of wisdom.
and defeated luuke and c'baoth.
Substantiate how powerful Luuke Skywalker was at the time. And she disembowelled C'Baoth, but did not overpower him, since he also manhandled her and the real Luke Skywalker simultaneously.
What more do i need to say.
Something along the lines of evidence.
I'm not disagreeing with you, bane is more powerful, i'm just saying mara can put up an awesome fight!
You really haven't proven that, but whatever, man.
Originally posted by skywalker833
Hey, you cant just ask me to give you evidence, and then just throw it away. I've given enough evidence as i need to give, now, what do you have to offer if anything?
Than I will give you some for Bane
He killed Kasim who is regarded as one of the greatest saber duelist of all time and a master every form save for vapaad.
He had access to Revan's holocron which I believe Bane said had "more knowledge than found on Korriban" at the time.
The orbalisks give him even more strength,speed, energy and endurance. Plus they can block lightsabers.
He is very skilled at force lightning.
He killed Hetton and 8 umbaran shadow assassins at once.
and he was able to fight 2 jedi masters and at one 3 jedi all at once while they were aided by another jedi master's battle meditation and he was doing very well against them.