Originally posted by llagrok
But without his gamma outlet, Hulk doesn't have anything beyond stalemating the Sentry.Which isn't enough to take out Darkseid.
I see your point, but we are talking about a hand to hand slugfest... Not a strongpoint for DS in any way shape or form.
DS loses this everytime as a result. WWH manhandles DS here.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
I've aways thought that Darkseid was more powerful than the Hulk. He takes it to Superman in h2h even without his OB. Why give it to WW Hulk so easily?
1. Slugfests favor WWH. Hes the most destructive Tank there is in comics. You use your powers and abilities...or outsmart Hulk....you do not want to go toe to toe.
2. Even though current DS gets pwned much faster than Classic DS....they both still lose. Darkseid is an overall poor slugger (when it comes to pure hand to hand)...and WWH is far more powerful and has more fighting experience than any other incarnation (other than maybe Maestro)....He does not tire, exhaust etc....and ONLY gets more destructive as the battle goes on.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
I've aways thought that Darkseid was more powerful than the Hulk. He takes it to Superman in h2h even without his OB. Why give it to WW Hulk so easily?
The writers of WWH put him at skyfather+ level by the end of WWH, meaning above Thor with the Odinforce. When he got to the point that a single footstep (not even a stomp) cracked the entire island of Manhattan in half he was physically speaking an above top tier level being. Even Superman wouldn't have had a chance at that point, as stated by the writers themselves.
Now if this was "true form" Darkseid that is 400 feet tall or whatever, then just maybe he would stand a chance, or Darkseid in his Kirby days.
Originally posted by Kutulu
The writers of WWH put him at skyfather+ level by the end of WWH, meaning above Thor with the Odinforce. When he got to the point that a single footstep (not even a stomp) cracked the entire island of Manhattan [b]in half he was physically speaking an above top tier level being. Even Superman wouldn't have had a chance at that point, as stated by the writers themselves.Now if this was "true form" Darkseid that is 400 feet tall or whatever, then just maybe he would stand a chance, or Darkseid in his Kirby days. [/B]
Batkick anyone?
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Originally posted by Kutulu
The writers of WWH put him at skyfather+ level by the end of WWH, meaning above Thor with the Odinforce. When he got to the point that a single footstep (not even a stomp) cracked the entire island of Manhattan [b]in half he was physically speaking an above top tier level being. Even Superman wouldn't have had a chance at that point, as stated by the writers themselves.Now if this was "true form" Darkseid that is 400 feet tall or whatever, then just maybe he would stand a chance, or Darkseid in his Kirby days. [/B]
Please show me where writers said this.
Why do people keep saying Darkseid sucks at hand to hand all the time? Basically the times he lost hand to hand against Superman was Apokolips Now, which contradicted previous showings and Superman/Batman but Superman was sun-dipped and battle field removed as he didn't knock him out. While there are other times where DS manhandled Superman 😬
Originally posted by h1a8
Please show me where writers said this.
http://www.brokenfrontier.com/columns/details.php?id=808
JL: Now, the question... During 'Planet Hulk', you alluded that the Jade Giant had begun to explore a new level of mastery over his physiology. Specifically, it was noted that he had developed the ability to "allow" himself to be harmed, sometimes only for dramatic effect -- such as when he let the spears and swords of his warring comrades pierce his skin to provide a shocking sight for them. Or for more benevolent purposes, such as allowing the spikes to feed from his body.So, the question is, is that ability in any way tied to the Hulk "allowing" Iron-Man's satellites to defeat him at the end of 'World War Hulk'? Meaning, was his participation in that outcome deeper than merely 'standing there' and letting himself be zapped? Did he, in fact, allow the satellite's rays to harm him? Or would they have had that effect even against his will?
GP: The Hulk clearly provides Iron Man the time he needs to unleash the satellites when he shouts, "Do it. Before I break the world!" And holding back his own insane rage implies the Hulk is suppressing his own power at that instant -- which presumably means he’s keeping himself from his full Worldbreaker potential when the satellites hit. Now the exact power and effect the combination of rays of those satellites hasn’t yet been revealed, so it’s possible that they could have taken out the Hulk even if the Hulk hadn’t been holding the door open. But without the Hulk’s pause, Iron Man seems unlikely to have been able to unleash the satellites in time. In short, I’d say it’s pretty safe to say that no one could have stopped the Hulk at the end of "World War Hulk" if the Hulk hadn't wanted to be stopped.
http://www.pakbuzz.com/ptc-submission.shtml
AGdAV: Second, in the last moments, when Hulk released his real fury, causing massive destruction and blowing energy from his body, who could stop it? I meant, what heroes could stop it? Superman, maybe?Greg Pak: With all due respect to the Distinguished Competition, I don't think even Superman would stand a chance. In the end, only the Hulk himself could provide the opening that Iron Man needed to end the madness.
http://www.brokenfrontier.com/columns/details.php?id=782
MZ: Since Thor has the Odinforce and is more powerful than his father, is he stronger than the Green Scar?GP: All I can say is that if I were Thor, I wouldn’t have wanted to be in the Sentry’s place during the climactic battle in “World War Hulk” #5.
Darkseid has like one low showing in hand to hand honestly,jesus in superman batman darkseid was man handling a pissed off supes,even stalemated him for awhile after supes was sundipping and after he took the omega effect back in his own face,sorry but wwh isnt that ****ing strong,and please shut up about pak and the stupid writers,o god superman own galactus o god he could stop imperiex,guess that means darkseid>galactus and imperiex since he man handled supes huh.
Originally posted by KutuluJust maybe....
The writers of WWH put him at skyfather+ level by the end of WWH, meaning above Thor with the Odinforce. When he got to the point that a single footstep (not even a stomp) cracked the entire island of Manhattan [b]in half he was physically speaking an above top tier level being. Even Superman wouldn't have had a chance at that point, as stated by the writers themselves.Now if this was "true form" Darkseid that is 400 feet tall or whatever, then just maybe he would stand a chance, or Darkseid in his Kirby days. [/B]
Superman would beat Hulk no matter how he was in WWH. Thor to.
Superman prime can beat anyone under Beyonder. If you listen to one writer you have to listen to all when it comes to what they say about characters.
Originally posted by The Ghosty
I insulted no one till he laughed. 🙄
You just registered your latest SOCK account yesterday, have already trolled all the typical AJ trolling threads, and have already insulted people numerous times on other threads. Nobody cares about you AJ, time to just give up and find a new hobby. 🙄
Originally posted by The Ghosty
Just maybe....Superman would beat Hulk no matter how he was in WWH. Thor to.
Superman prime can beat anyone under Beyonder. If you listen to one writer you have to listen to all when it comes to what they say about characters.
Maybe... just maybe... you're wrong and should quit trolling a comic book forum with new accounts.
Originally posted by The Ghosty
Just maybe....Superman would beat Hulk no matter how he was in WWH. Thor to.
Superman prime can beat anyone under Beyonder. If you listen to one writer you have to listen to all when it comes to what they say about characters.
Fortunately AJ you don't have any say to who writes the comics, the writers do. Right now the writers disagree with you, so that makes you wrong, not the writers, as you don't publish anything right now that I'm aware of, so you're just a nobody trolling a thread as usual. Go away SOCK.
Originally posted by KutuluShow me where I have trolled anyone or anything, come on back it up. And no I am not this AJ. 🙄
You just registered your latest SOCK account yesterday, have already trolled all the typical AJ trolling threads, and have already insulted people numerous times on other threads. Nobody cares about you AJ, time to just give up and find a new hobby. 🙄
Originally posted by Kutulu
Fortunately AJ you don't have any say to who writes the comics, the writers do. Right now the writers disagree with you, so that makes you wrong, not the writers, as you don't publish anything right now that I'm aware of, so you're just a nobody trolling a thread as usual. Go away SOCK.
I have no problem with you using what the writers say and you using them as evidence, but then you have to let people use Superman-Prime Beyonder bit, I find it crap don't you?