OWAW? Hmm, interesting. you bring up a showing where Darkseid, having used most of his power to help bust Imperiex's armor, was stalemating a Superman coming down from a power boost provided by him and Strange Visitor. Granted, Supes was a bit out of it, but he held his own against this visibly weakened Darkseid.
whereas at full power earlier, DS bitchslapped Superman in 3 shots, then Supes ducked out to avoid fighting him.
Gee, that makes it pretty obvious Darkseid's weak, doesn't it? duryes
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Yes.1. WWH fighting DS is not the same as him having a skirmish with a good friend. DS would get nothing but pure ill-will from WWH. Remember neither Sentry nor WWH wanted to really harm the other.
2. WWH wasn't drained of rage...his rage subsided after Sentry lay collapsed. Hulk was the one clearly the one standing....and standing without so much as a scratch...unlike Superman and DD left DYING at each others hand.
And based on Superman/DD's fight I think Sentry could hold his own. He actually lacks the weaknesses of Superman and is technically a match for him. But Superman has more feats as he's an older, more established character. There's your answer.
Any way you look at it...Sentry going toe-toe with WWH is a major durability feat for Sentry...even though Sentry took a major beating. Again remember Hulk had 0 intentions of killing or seriously harming Sentry. Just giving him enough to show who was stronger.
Lulz
1. So Hulk was holding back against Sentry now? He was friends with Hercules, but they didn't stop WWH from hitting Hercules when he was telling him to stop and he was his friend and he wanted to help 😬
2. He was drained of energy, which was confirmed in a interview and that's why he reverted. So as you said his unlimited stamina ran out and that's why he changed back. Ummm..lulz, both the human personas were standing without a scratch untill Banner finished Robert off. He didn't finish Sentry off, he beat the weak and powerless human. Ummm....how is Bruce Banner/Robert fight the same as what happened with Superman/Doomsday? who both got stronger as STATED after that fight. So kinda makes your point moot
So DS used Superman's weakness against him in their fights? Please endulge me, when did DS use kryptonite and magic against Superman. So Sentry has no weaknesses now? Iron Man sure would disagree with that using the Cloc against him 😬 So on-panel evidence shows Superman being better, but you still claim Sentry can take him?
Or shows WWH can be beaten as Sentry causes him to juice out, and Sentry was even letting Hulk hit him for a few punches 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok...so they are changing things up but until we see it dont speculate please. It hasnt been released so we dont know the details and how it all goes down.😬
Not speculating it had already been confirmed. Darkseid is fighting the Source in DoTNG #7-8, and as stated in interviews he is the main villian in Final Crisis. That's fact, not speculation
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Height? My ass. Silver Age Hulk's feats beat the shit out of anything WWH did.
Actually this is true. Silver Age Hulk at higher levels of rage has surpassed many of WWH's feats....but remember Hulk has unlimited Strength potential. ....so its moot point.
The reason WWH is dangerous and more powerful than Silver age is mostly because of base level Strength and Fighting experience. you could basically say that If WWH was able to reach the level of rage that Silver Age Hulk reached when setting those same feats, he would surely exceed them....because WWH's base strength is even higher by default.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Did you miss WW Hulk? Isnt that current enough for you.He was stated to be at the height of his power. 😉
You mean that lil' series where Hulk even at his magnificent full anger didn't easily go through everyone? Where it still took some luck, and trickery for Hulk to get some wins?
What incredible feat is there in that series?
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Lulz1. So Hulk was holding back against Sentry now? He was friends with Hercules, but they didn't stop WWH from hitting Hercules when he was telling him to stop and he was his friend and he wanted to help 😬
2. He was drained of energy, which was confirmed in a interview and that's why he reverted. So as you said his unlimited stamina ran out and that's why he changed back. Ummm..lulz, both the human personas were standing without a scratch untill Banner finished Robert off. He didn't finish Sentry off, he beat the weak and powerless human. Ummm....how is Bruce Banner/Robert fight the same as what happened with Superman/Doomsday? who both got stronger as STATED after that fight. So kinda makes your point moot
So DS used Superman's weakness against him in their fights? Please endulge me, when did DS use kryptonite and magic against Superman. So Sentry has no weaknesses now? Iron Man sure would disagree with that using the Cloc against him 😬 So on-panel evidence shows Superman being better, but you still claim Sentry can take him?
Or shows WWH can be beaten as Sentry causes him to juice out, and Sentry was even letting Hulk hit him for a few punches 😬
No Hulk didnt hold back, but he was not throwing killing blows...there is still a cap there due to their past...and Hulk's intent. He was fighting a friend and both knew each other.
Regardless Hulk was undamaged whatsoever....he simply calmed down.
As mentioned WWH going again DS...some clown he doesnt know, I guarantee you his rage would be signifigantly higher.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
No Hulk didnt hold back, but he was not throwing killing blows...there is still a cap there due to their past...and Hulk's intent. Regardless Hulk was undamaged whatsoever....he simply calmed down.
When has it ever been in character for Hulk to ever throw killer blows? Hercules, Namor, etc. all have a past with Hulk and that didn't stop him from trying to hurt them. Even when Hercules stopped fighting and tried to talk to Hulk, he still kept hitting the demi-god. Hulk was undamaged? lulz
Originally posted by TricksterPriestUhm...why must you always have excuses for Darkseid. They stalemated but you act as if Darkseid can use the oh I am tired and I am exhausted excuse while Supes usually has to bust through parademons and what not to even reach him.
OWAW? Hmm, interesting. you bring up a showing where Darkseid, having used most of his power to help bust Imperiex's armor, was stalemating a Superman coming down from a power boost provided by him and Strange Visitor. Granted, Supes was a bit out of it, but he held his own against this visibly weakened Darkseid.whereas at full power earlier, DS bitchslapped Superman in 3 shots, then Supes ducked out to avoid fighting him.
Gee, that makes it pretty obvious Darkseid's weak, doesn't it? duryes
Apokolips now is a true beatdown. He stalemated him and utterly crushed him with a sunamp. Supes also busted him up and Darkseid disappeared in retaliation. 😛
Originally posted by AvlonUh, one-shotting Ares, She-Hulk and Thing? Bending Colossus' arms? Destroying Invisible Woman's shields in three shots? Taking a full blown nova blast/lightning strike nonchalantly? Repelling Xavier's telepathic attack through sheer rage? Stepping his foot down and nearly causing the Eastern Seaboard to crumble away? Getting holes blown through his gut by Zom Strange and still fighting? Denting classic Juggernaut's armor? Halting classic Juggernaut's advance?
You mean that lil' series where Hulk even at his magnificent full anger didn't easily go through everyone? Where it still took some luck, and trickery for Hulk to get some wins?What incredible feat is there in that series?
I'm beginning to think people didn't really read World War Hulk.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
When has it ever been in character for Hulk to ever throw killer blows? Hercules, Namor, etc. all have a past with Hulk and that didn't stop him from trying to hurt them. Even when Hercules stopped fighting and tried to talk to Hulk, he still kept hitting the demi-god. Hulk was undamaged? lulz
Point is: WWHulk vs DS = WWHulk more enraged than WWH v Reynolds.
Originally posted by King_MungiUhm to me its obvious he is using trickery and what not to take on the Source and until we see how he does it dont act as if he is just using his own power and will to do it.
Lulz1. So Hulk was holding back against Sentry now? He was friends with Hercules, but they didn't stop WWH from hitting Hercules when he was telling him to stop and he was his friend and he wanted to help 😬
2. He was drained of energy, which was confirmed in a interview and that's why he reverted. So as you said his unlimited stamina ran out and that's why he changed back. Ummm..lulz, both the human personas were standing without a scratch untill Banner finished Robert off. He didn't finish Sentry off, he beat the weak and powerless human. Ummm....how is Bruce Banner/Robert fight the same as what happened with Superman/Doomsday? who both got stronger as STATED after that fight. So kinda makes your point moot
So DS used Superman's weakness against him in their fights? Please endulge me, when did DS use kryptonite and magic against Superman. So Sentry has no weaknesses now? Iron Man sure would disagree with that using the Cloc against him 😬 So on-panel evidence shows Superman being better, but you still claim Sentry can take him?
Or shows WWH can be beaten as Sentry causes him to juice out, and Sentry was even letting Hulk hit him for a few punches 😬
Not speculating it had already been confirmed. Darkseid is fighting the Source in DoTNG #7-8, and as stated in interviews he is the main villian in Final Crisis. That's fact, not speculation
Darkseid is the main villain in fc it seems but to me it looks like hes about to get a powerup. But until its out lets not talk about it ok. 😄
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Point is: WWHulk vs DS = WWHulk more enraged than WWH v Reynolds.
and why is this? We know WWH was already pissed off with Marvel Earth and that's why he did what he did and that's how he got the boost he got. Why would he be more angry towards Darkseid who had nothing to do with Hulk's situation?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0You are probably right. I mean nowadays WW Hulk is beating down teams,Strange/Zom,taking on Sentry while Supes is getting his ass handed to him by a right cross of Kaliabaks.
Uh, one-shotting Ares, She-Hulk and Thing? Bending Colossus' arms? Destroying Invisible Woman's shields in three shots? Taking a full blown nova blast/lightning strike nonchalantly? Repelling Xavier's telepathic attack through sheer rage? Stepping his foot down and nearly causing the Eastern Seaboard to crumble away? Getting holes blown through his gut by Zom Strange and still fighting? Denting classic Juggernaut's armor? Halting classic Juggernaut's advance?I'm beginning to think people didn't really read World War Hulk.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm...why must you always have excuses for Darkseid. They stalemated but you act as if Darkseid can use the oh I am tired and I am exhausted excuse while Supes usually has to bust through parademons and what not to even reach him.Apokolips now is a true beatdown. He stalemated him and utterly crushed him with a sunamp. Supes also busted him up and Darkseid disappeared in retaliation. 😛
Excuses? It's called context, you brain dead n00b. 😒 You seem to love using it for Thanos. 🙄
So Thanos didn't get his ass beat by Odin? So Adam Warlock didn't turn him into stone? Double standards ftw. thanduros
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Uh, one-shotting Ares, She-Hulk and Thing? Bending Colossus' arms? Destroying Invisible Woman's shields in three shots? Taking a full blown nova blast/lightning strike nonchalantly? Repelling Xavier's telepathic attack through sheer rage? Stepping his foot down and nearly causing the Eastern Seaboard to crumble away? Getting holes blown through his gut by Zom Strange and still fighting? Denting classic Juggernaut's armor? Halting classic Juggernaut's advance?I'm beginning to think people didn't really read World War Hulk.
very true, There are tons of feats in WWH.
Or maybe they just don't understand Hulk in the 1st place....its required to know why he's at a much higher base than Savage Hulk in WWH.
Originally posted by llagrokDarkseid doesnt have the healing ability of the Hulk. He doesnt brawl like the Hulk. He doesnt like to but can when he has to but couldnt go twelve rounds with this beast. With his powers sure but in a brawl Ds goes down.
Do you doubt Darkseid's ability to do this`?It's not like he did one-shot She-Hulk or The Thing even...