KC Superman Vs WW Hulk (Fist Fight)

superman already "died" in this same type of confrontation, ANYONE who says hulk wins has a valid argument and should not get bashed for it.

wwh won't get oneshotted, and neither will superman, this fight comes down to endurance and a fist fight with the hulk/superman is an uphill battle for almost anyone including each other.

I personally give it to the hulk due to the X factor of his increasing....everything. (if you ever been in a loosing fight, the power to get stronger by giving into frustration is a borderline miracle)

This is Superman using all of his power. Then Superman wins.
But if it's a fist fight, Superman using only his fists, no speed, no heat vision and other powers, only his brute strength, then it would be competitive, giving WWH the edge.

As Grek Pak said, not even Superman would stand a chance physically against WWH (at the end of WWH, when Hulk step caused destruction).

Originally posted by psycho gundam
superman already "died" in this same type of confrontation, ANYONE who says hulk wins has a valid argument and should not get bashed for it.

Doomsday had superhuman speed.

Originally posted by llagrok
Doomsday had superhuman speed.

Well seen on panel the Hulks body armor increases as his power increases, and he also has superhuman speed feats. Is it safe to say that eventually even Supermans best punches wouldn't be able to faze Hulk? Is it possible that his healing factor would increase as well?

Are they just trading blows or is Superman allowed to use his speed?

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Since when does Superman's flying ability mean that strength feats become flying feats?
I mean, why does this not apply to any other character, only Superman?

If he happens to be flying while lifting a car, what's responsible, the upward motion of his flight, or his strength to hold the car.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but even if i was to use this ridiculous logic myself, and say it's Supermans flight that is keeping the car in the air, then wouldn't that mean that his body would've dropped it because it wasn't strong enough to support it?

Are you implying that Supermans flight, and strength are manifested by two different people?

Because even if we use this 'logic' it's still SUPERMAN doing the flying AND the lifting.

And he wasn't flying when holding a black hole in his hands.

And about that blackhole feat wasnt it pre crisis supes that closed a natural black hole in space. As i remember it the one normal supes closed was in comparison smaller dan his palm( It is still really impressive though just not as impressive as hulk overcoming d matter antimatter attraction).

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Well seen on panel the Hulks body armor increases as his power increases, and he also has superhuman speed feats. Is it safe to say that eventually even Supermans best punches wouldn't be able to faze Hulk? Is it possible that his healing factor would increase as well?

It is indeed possible and likely(evn though supes best punches can still faze im). And yes the hulks h factor and durability does also increase wit strength and anger. For example during the incident when the hulk had is bones broken by d void he was calm. Howevr during the WWh saga d hulk exhausted the sentrys enrgy( sentry greater dan void) and was hardly hurt at all. In a pure slugfest the hulk wins this fight 8/10

Kc superman knocks hulks head off that is all that will happen here.

I'm thinking none of the Hulk supportes read JSA. KC Superman has been shown to be much stronger than current Superman. Jay said he was as fast as wally west. He's uneffected by attacks that can hurt current Superman.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/KCS/JSA1318.jpg

So WWH hulk at best can stalemate another top tier (Juggernaut/Sentry) the second of which wasn't trying to dodge him. We put him against some one above top tier.

KC Superman 10/10

Originally posted by psycho gundam
superman already "died" in this same type of confrontation

Originally posted by Soljer
Lulz at anyone that compares DoS Superman to current day Clark.

Originally posted by Xplosive
This is Superman using all of his power. Then Superman wins.
But if it's a fist fight, Superman using only his fists, no speed,

It's a fist fight, not a slugfest. In a slugfest, they stand there and trade blows one for one till someone goes down. That's the sort of fight I'd give the Hulk the nod in/

In a fist fight, there is nothing restricting speed, or even flight. Giving Superman ridiculous advantages that ensure his win. KC Supes would win regardless of it being a slugfest or a fist fight.

KC Superman 10/10

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Again?

Originally posted by llagrok
Doomsday had superhuman speed.

Hulk has superhuman speed. Admittedly not on DD's level.

All Supes gotta to do to win is launch Hulk then abuse him with speedblitzes till he hits the ground. Repeat. This is assuming Supes can use his speed for this battle.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Since when does Superman's flying ability mean that strength feats become flying feats?
I mean, why does this not apply to any other character, only Superman?

If he happens to be flying while lifting a car, what's responsible, the upward motion of his flight, or his strength to hold the car.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but even if i was to use this ridiculous logic myself, and say it's Supermans flight that is keeping the car in the air, then wouldn't that mean that his body would've dropped it because it wasn't strong enough to support it?

Are you implying that Supermans flight, and strength are manifested by two different people?

Because even if we use this 'logic' it's still SUPERMAN doing the flying AND the lifting.

And he wasn't flying when holding a black hole in his hands.

Let me explain. 100% of Superman's greatest strength feats are inertia based, SIMPLY PUT - Kent builds up momentum using his ability to fly as his size and frame only allow him to do so much.

Yes he can lift cars, tanks, etc but if superman were to try for instance to brace that 150 billion mountain....We have never seen Superman do anything like this simply standing without building inertia using his ability to push himself through space (flight). There is no way possible for Superman to be able to push a moon etc, with raw strength without using his ability to utilize momentum.

The reason this is relevant is because we are talking about a toe-to-toe standing fist fight versus World War Hulk....and not utilizing flight....which handicaps Superman here.

Its degree of physics that is applied to the story...The writers themselves have commented on this time and time again.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Hulk has superhuman speed. Admittedly not on DD's level.

WWH is clearly beyond Dos DD at base. DD didnt split city blocks by walking.

He is DD and beyond as long as he is continually pissed off.

(EDIT) dpost.

Doomsday and Superman have gotten stronger since their "deaths", as in vastly stronger so why is it even being brought up here as their completly different characters now 😬

Originally posted by Soljer
It's a fist fight, not a slugfest. In a slugfest, they stand there and trade blows one for one till someone goes down. That's the sort of fight I'd give the Hulk the nod in/

In a fist fight, there is nothing restricting speed, or even flight. Giving Superman [b]ridiculous advantages that ensure his win. KC Supes would win regardless of it being a slugfest or a fist fight. [/B]

Speedier or not...Superman has not been shown to be good going toe-to-toe with the likes of Mongul, Grundy etc....and at close ranged fighting his speed is never sufficiently shown. In addition....Hulks reaction time and speed feats have clearly been sown to exceed the likes of Grundy and Mongul etc.

Going toe to toe with these guys he has always gotten nailed by big hits - many of which floored him. How the hell will he stand toe2toe with WWH the most powerful incarnation of Hulk since Maestro? He won't....he will go the distance though before tapping out.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Doomsday and Superman have gotten stronger since their "deaths", as in vastly stronger so why is it even being brought up here as their completly different characters now 😬

So has most characters since then. Superman still lacks raw Strength feats that dont utilize flight.