Spiderman vs Wolverine vs Captain America vs Batman - Handicapped Fight

Originally posted by BUSTER1
The fact is that Spiderman has reflexes/speed well beyond the range attainable for a human (at least x15). Cap is the pinacle of human, as opposed to superhuman, in his physical attributes. Bats is a highly trained HUMAN. That means that Spiderman has a considerable speed advantage over the two, enhanced by his spider sense. He will land more hits on them than they will on him-and he is many times stronger than both so his hits will cause them a whole lot of damage.
As I've stated before, it will come down to Spiderman v Wolverine.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'll reiterate. these characters are as human as a houshold appliance. Why limit the characters to "human" limitations when everything theydo is outside the scope of humanity?

The creaters of these characters gave them these human limitations. They made them human, as opposed to superhuman. It has been stated that the SSS made Captain America as strong fast and agile as a human could be without becoming superhuman.
Spiderman is superhuman in these departments, especially outdoing Cap in strength. As for Spidey's lack of formal training, he has years of experience, so knows how to fight.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
The creaters of these characters gave them these human limitations. They made them human, as opposed to superhuman.

Captain America was said to be as strong as three men at the beginning of his career, Wolverine was originally intended to be strictly superhuman with agility, speed and reflexes on par with Spiderman. None of that cries out as "Human".... They got toned down more than anything.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
It has been stated that the SSS made Captain America as strong fast and agile as a human could be without becoming superhuman.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Spiderman is superhuman in these departments, especially outdoing Cap in strength. As for Spidey's lack of formal training, he has years of experience, so knows how to fight.

Originally posted by jinzin
Actually.. No....

Wolverine was originally intended to be strictly superhuman with agility, speed and reflexes on par with Spiderman. None of that cries out as "Human".... They got toned down more than anything.

bullcrap...Wolverine was originally shown to be a strong man...not even peak prob, since he didnt start off with adamantium. If anything, he was upgraded and certainly not 'toned down'.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
bullcrap...Wolverine was originally shown to be a strong man...not even peak prob, since he didnt start off with adamantium. If anything, he was upgraded and certainly not 'toned down'.

The only thing this post proves is that you haven't read interviews of the CREATOR of the character who's stated several times that Wolverine was to be a superhuman character.. It's one of the reasons his physiology is stated as being completely different from that of his team mates in the early X books.

He was intended to be superhuman, in terms of his physical prowess concerning speed and strength which is what we're talking about, he was toned down.

Just ignore those 2. Butchery of grammatical and spelling conventions aside, those 2 are as thickheaded as they came. If the 5 biggest idiot fanboys were to form Voltron, they would be the left and right arms. One to hold a Wolverine comic and the other to jerk it while looking at the PIS inside. Wolverine can jump higher than Spider-man now? Also according to him (assuming Im translating his nonsense from idiot into english) your typical karate blackbelt or pro-boxer will do more damage with a punch than someone who can lift 35 tons... Whatever, I expect either of them to report me since thats essentially all they do on here: Make a stupid unsupported statement, get backlashed, then report. Seriously, if you are going to be stupid, you need to harden up a bit.
Side note, notice how Battlehammer can use the word "actually" more than 6 times in a single post to try and be condescending, and somehow spell it differently all 6 times.

I just read the initial post.

This fight comes down to Wolvie and Spidey. Although Spidey still has his strength, Wolvie has his healing factor and durability plus better fighting skills.

Wolvie comes out on top.

Originally posted by jinzin
Actually.. No....

Captain America was said to be as strong as three men at the beginning of his career, Wolverine was originally intended to be strictly superhuman with agility, speed and reflexes on par with Spiderman. None of that cries out as "Human".... They got toned down more than anything.

No it's been stated that the SSS made him as strong and fast as a human could be.. PERIOD. Again, we really have no place to say what kind of limitations that entails.

And yet his years of experience, are lightyears behind Cap, so while he may know how to fight he doesn't know how to fight as good as Cap.. Hell it's something he even said in their last fight.
He outdoes these characters in strength.. that's it.

Jinzin, when did I say Wolverine wasn't superhuman?? I was refering to Cap and Batman. And Cap isn't as fast as Spiderman or as agile. He has greater h2h skills sure-but Spiderman's faster reflexes backed up with his spidersense will more than make up for that.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Jinzin, when did I say Wolverine wasn't superhuman?? I was refering to Cap and Batman. And Cap isn't as fast as Spiderman or as agile. He has greater h2h skills sure-but Spiderman's faster reflexes backed up with his spidersense will more than make up for that.

You said "these characters". The general statement was only clearly excluding Spiderman so it stood to reason that you were reffering to Wolverine too.

I don't think anyone's as agile of Spiderman because of Spiderman's sheer strength and his ability to stick to surfaces.

But, Spiderman's speed has never been so great that it would make all the difference in the outcome of a fight between him and somone on Cap's level.

That's a nice theory for Spiderman's SS, but it doesn't hold up to his entire career of fighting people akin to Batman or Captain America.

He's always had issues fighting high end street levels and he likely always will.

Originally posted by jinzin
You said "these characters". The general statement was only clearly excluding Spiderman so it stood to reason that you were reffering to Wolverine too.

I don't think anyone's as agile of Spiderman because of Spiderman's sheer strength and his ability to stick to surfaces.

But, Spiderman's speed has never been so great that it would make all the difference in the outcome of a fight between him and somone on Cap's level.

That's a nice theory for Spiderman's SS, but it doesn't hold up to his entire career of fighting people akin to Batman or Captain America.

He's always had issues fighting high end street levels and he likely always will.

If you read the post properly you would see that I only mentioned Captain America and Batman. And I have consistently expressed the view that this 4 way fight will come down to Spiderman v Wolverine, showing that I acknowledge the fact that Wolvie would be a good match for Spiderman, as he does possess speed and reflexes far in excess of human capabilities

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Each of the fighters are given handicaps...who wins?

Spiderman - no webbing

Wolverine - no claws

Captain America - no shield

Batman - no utility belt

Spidey can beat the other 3 combined in this scenario.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Just ignore those 2. Butchery of grammatical and spelling conventions aside, those 2 are as thickheaded as they came. If the 5 biggest idiot fanboys were to form Voltron, they would be the left and right arms. One to hold a Wolverine comic and the other to jerk it while looking at the PIS inside. Wolverine can jump higher than Spider-man now? Also according to him (assuming Im translating his nonsense from idiot into english) your typical karate blackbelt or pro-boxer will do more damage with a punch than someone who can lift 35 tons... Whatever, I expect either of them to report me since thats essentially all they do on here: Make a stupid unsupported statement, get backlashed, then report. Seriously, if you are going to be stupid, you need to harden up a bit.
Side note, notice how Battlehammer can use the word "actually" more than 6 times in a single post to try and be condescending, and somehow spell it differently all 6 times.

Well, you're clearly not resorting to Ad Homonym in place of having an argument worth debating against are you? 🙄

Of course, you're also so intelligent and well versed in English that you would never make mistakes would you?

Originally posted by redhotrash
Those two are as thickheaded as they came.

Originally posted by redhotrash
(assuming Im translating his nonsense from idiot into english

Originally posted by redhotrash
Spidey will be all over the place and has agility that Wolverine cant hold a candle to.

-Spidey will be all over the place and has agility that Wolverine *can't* hold a candle to.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Personally I think Wolverine would get caught up fighting Cap, since they have the most history between them

Personally*,* I think Wolverine would get caught up fighting Cap, since they have the most history *among* (Between is a word you use when discussing two things; among is used for more than two) them.

Originally posted by redhotrash
So his agility didnt lead him to wins over the entire X-Men team, Wolverine several times, Daredevil, and others?

So his agility *didn't* lead him to wins over the entire X-Men team, Wolverine several times, Daredevil, and others?

Originally posted by redhotrash
Wolverine doesnt hit like Venom.

Wolverine *doesn't* hit like Venom

Originally posted by redhotrash
So Venom, being a class 35-40 doesnt hit as hard a peak human Wolverine?

So Venom, being a class 35-40 *doesn't* hit as hard *as* a peak human Wolverine?

Originally posted by redhotrash
So your using a Hulk guide and a Marvel vs DC crossover as a power reference.

So *you're* using a Hulk guide and a Marvel vs DC crossover as a power reference.

Originally posted by redhotrash
In the few months of reading your posts Ive learned that Wolverine can bench 2,000...

In the few months of reading your posts *I've* learned that Wolverine can bench 2,000....

Originally posted by redhotrash
can nail all the pressure points on a metaihumanly fast and agile target, has adamantium joints,

... can nail all the pressure points on a *metahumanly* fast and agile target, has *Adamantium* joints,...

Originally posted by redhotrash
If you coat the joints on a action figure with unbreakable metal, they wont move, I promise. This is common sense. And his first appearance was against the Hulk, where in that issue did it show him being overly strong? Anyhow, enough with you, on to your domestic partner..
Addressing wonderboy's comments about me "looking like a ingorant SOB", thats kinda funny.

If you coat the joints on *an* (You're supposed to use an before words that start with vowels.) action figure with unbreakable metal, they *won't* move, I promise.

.... "looking like a ignorant SOB", *that's* kinda funny.

By the way I'm still waiting for the proof that you apparently have of Spiderman being untouchable to people of Logan's and Cap's caliber in the fighting department to justify that he'd win "almost every time" against either of them.
I'm still waiting for the proof that these characters couldn't damage him using h2h combat methods. I'm still waiting for the proof you have that qualifies Logan as less than a class 4 superhuman accredited to him by Marvel and stuck at lowly "peak human" levels.
And, seeing how it's only us idiots that don't bring proof to the table, I'm sure you have plenty of it........ Uh... Where IS yours again?

You want to call us idiots but you just compared Wolverine and Captain America to "typical karate blackbelt or pro-boxers"? WOW. 😐

Okay, well so far we've established that you don't have proof here, that you ARE talking out your ass, and that when you're arguing a discussion under which the first two statements are true, you resort to Ad Homonym.

So far you've made fun of the spelling and grammar of one member who has dyslexia and another who just doesn't give a crap. I guess that makes you correct when it comes to a comic book debate huh?
I suppose we should award you some sort of medal for that. What do you do when you're not harassing the impaired on the Internet? Ringing in the special Olympics?
You want to attack us for spelling and grammar errors? At least try not to make them in the very same posts you're attempting to berate us with.

In short, YOU'RE a hypocritical douche bag who can't hack a real argument on here if you had to save your life... Why? Because in spite of what you may THINK you know about English, it means approximately what you've shown yourself to be here... DICK.

And one last thing, I'd really appreciate it if you kept me and Hammer out of your homoerotic 80s fantasy nostalgia.. Thanks.

Ohh!

Redhot just got 'trashed'!

Originally posted by BUSTER1
If you read the post properly you would see that I only mentioned Captain America and Batman. And I have consistently expressed the view that this 4 way fight will come down to Spiderman v Wolverine, showing that I acknowledge the fact that Wolvie would be a good match for Spiderman, as he does possess speed and reflexes far in excess of human capabilities

Ah, I stand corrected, I did miss that the first time around. Sorry then. Still, I maintain my original point, why limit these characters as having human limitations to anything we're familiar with when A) everything they do is outside the scope of human capability, and B) we don't have any "peak humans" to base those limitations on?

I've said it a thousand times in the past and I still think it's true today, a character is measured by what he or she has proven they could do, not by what someone thought they could do at one time.

Spiderman possesses speed and reflexes far beyond the capabilities of Joe blow average human walking down the street. He does not, however, posses speed that's so far beyond that of Cap's it would make any significant difference in a fight between the two, and you know something? He never has.

Guys, lets keep the name calling and bashing of the thread. Thanks.

Originally posted by jinzin
Well, you're clearly not resorting to Ad Homonym in place of having an argument worth debating against are you? 🙄

Of course, you're also so intelligent and well versed in English that you would never make mistakes would you?

Those two are as thickheaded as they *come*.

(assuming *I'm* translating his nonsense from idiot into *English*)

-Spidey will be all over the place and has agility that Wolverine *can't* hold a candle to.

Personally*,* I think Wolverine would get caught up fighting Cap, since they have the most history *among* (Between is a word you use when discussing two things; among is used for more than two) them.

So his agility *didn't* lead him to wins over the entire X-Men team, Wolverine several times, Daredevil, and others?

Wolverine *doesn't* hit like Venom

So Venom, being a class 35-40 *doesn't* hit as hard *as* a peak human Wolverine?

So *you're* using a Hulk guide and a Marvel vs DC crossover as a power reference.

In the few months of reading your posts *I've* learned that Wolverine can bench 2,000....

... can nail all the pressure points on a *metahumanly* fast and agile target, has *Adamantium* joints,...

If you coat the joints on *an* (You're supposed to use an before words that start with vowels.) action figure with unbreakable metal, they *won't* move, I promise.

.... "looking like a ignorant SOB", *that's* kinda funny.

By the way I'm still waiting for the proof that you apparently have of Spiderman being untouchable to people of Logan's and Cap's caliber in the fighting department to justify that he'd win "almost every time" against either of them.
I'm still waiting for the proof that these characters couldn't damage him using h2h combat methods. I'm still waiting for the proof you have that qualifies Logan as less than a class 4 superhuman accredited to him by Marvel and stuck at lowly "peak human" levels.
And, seeing how it's only us idiots that don't bring proof to the table, I'm sure you have plenty of it........ Uh... Where IS yours again?

You want to call us idiots but you just compared Wolverine and Captain America to "typical karate blackbelt or pro-boxers"? WOW. 😐

Okay, well so far we've established that you don't have proof here, that you ARE talking out your ass, and that when you're arguing a discussion under which the first two statements are true, you resort to Ad Homonym.

So far you've made fun of the spelling and grammar of one member who has dyslexia and another who just doesn't give a crap. I guess that makes you correct when it comes to a comic book debate huh?
I suppose we should award you some sort of medal for that. What do you do when you're not harassing the impaired on the Internet? Ringing in the special Olympics?
You want to attack us for spelling and grammar errors? At least try not to make them in the very same posts you're attempting to berate us with.

In short, YOU'RE a hypocritical douche bag who can't hack a real argument on here if you had to save your life... Why? Because in spite of what you may THINK you know about English, it means approximately what you've shown yourself to be here... DICK.

cosigned.

Stone the crows- this is a debate about fictional characters boys, there is no need to throw personal insults at each other. I almost though I was on a football ( real football-what you USA boys call soccer) forum

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Stone the crows- this is a debate about fictional characters boys, there is no need to throw personal insults at each other. I almost though I was on a football ( real football-what you USA boys call soccer) forum

Imeant to say 'I almost THOUGHT I was on a football forum

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Imeant to say 'I almost THOUGHT I was on a football forum

Lol, I haven't even noticed.

Granted, I'd rather not waste time in useless personal arguments but I couldn't help myself with him taking his potshots. Sorry.