Originally posted by IKP
Be quiet. Orbalisks + exceptional Force ability, and he'd take down anyone here.
Vader possesses a greater connection to the Force than Bane, as previously established. Likewise, can you prove that the strength afforded to him by the orbalisks would be enough to rival Vader's mechanical implants?
Furthermore, Windu was able to obliterate a contingent of super battle droids on Dantooine and Maul was able to destroy the ranks of Black Sun after he "pushed his physical and Force assisted abilities to the utmost". Bane lacks anything approaching their technique and ability.
Vader, Windu, or Maul would manhandle him, tear him apart, consume him, shit him back out in a bucket, and ship it back to Korriban where the contents are used as fertilizer.
Originally posted by GideonI thought it was stated in the DSSB that bane was physically the strongest sith? I think that came from zephiel.
Vader possesses a greater connection to the Force than Bane, as previously established. Likewise, can you prove that the strength afforded to him by the orbalisks would be enough to rival Vader's mechanical implants?
Originally posted by Gideon
Vader possesses a greater connection to the Force than Bane, as previously established.
1. Exactly where and when was this "established?" Based on the fact that Bane is already leagues beyond Vader (as is evident by his planetary level Force showings) with far less experience and training under his belt, I fail to see how you can arrive at such a conclusion.
2. As you did in our last debate (which you've yet to respond to), you're forming conclusions whilst only taking potential into consideration, which as a factor is completely irrelevant until you can substantiate how much of it has been realised.
Likewise, can you prove that the strength afforded to him by the orbalisks would be enough to rival Vader's mechanical implants?
1. Given the orbalisks' invulnerable nature, which applies to physical attacks as well as to energy, it's pretty clear that they're made out of some pretty hard stuff. Aside from that, the orbalisks pump substantial amounts of adrenaline and darkside energies into Bane, further adding to how much stronger the armour as a whole makes him. Factor in Bane's considerable physical conditioning even without the orbalisk armour (where he's described as a "mountain of muscle"😉, as well as the vast superiority in Force ability (I don't care if you disagree, I've already successfully argued the case in the recent past, and briefly in this thread, and it's the only valid conclusion that someone could arrive at) which can be applied with enhancing Bane's strength, and I'd say, taking everything into consideration, Bane is, as a whole, easily stronger than Vader.
The DSSB stats say as much, and according to LFL, the stats are based on established canon, and are intended to act as a valid device to form comparisons between different subjects (as can be seen here).
2. Ignoring all of that anyways, the main attribute of the orbalisks, which you appear to have ignored, is not how strong they make Bane, but how durable they make him. For all intents and purposes, they make Bane's entire body invulnerable (seeing as this is hand-to-hand combat we're dealing with here, and their only weakness is Force lightning), meaning the only way anyone here can ever harm Bane is through one minuscule (in comparison to their entire bodies) area: his head.
Furthermore, Windu was able to obliterate a contingent of super battle droids on Dantooine
Using mostly his Force powers, yes, and the few instances where he used his bare hands, it's highly possible that he was using his Shatterpoint ability (which wouldn't be applicable against Bane's orbalisks, seeing as how they're invulnerable to any kind of damage with the exception of Force lightning, and thus, canonically, possess no other weakness that Mace's Shatterpoint would be able to exploit).
and Maul was able to destroy the ranks of Black Sun
With the help of his lightsaber, yes.
after he "pushed his physical and Force assisted abilities to the utmost".
Which means his body became as physically conditioned as it was ever going to be, and he reached his full potential in using the Force to enhance his physical capabilities.
Impressive, but as evidence, only tells us how good he became in relation to his full capabilities.
I fail to see how, alone, it compares to someone who:
a) Was extremely physically conditioned himself, being described as a "mountain of muscle."
b) Is so far beyond him in Force ability that Maul looks like a non-force-sensitive new born female in comparison. [Nevermind that Maul reached his full potential as far as enhancing his speed and strength etc. with the Force goes; Bane can be far from his full potential in that respect, and it wouldn't even matter given his full potential is leaps and bounds above Maul's own.]
c) Receives substantial doses of adrenaline and darkside energies, both of which add to his physical capabilities.
d) Is covered in armour that's immune to any form of physical damage.
Really, I'm genuinely quite shocked at how poor your points have been.
You take worthless pieces of evidence and try to put them on a pedestal, forming conclusions that only truly reflect on your skewed personal opinion.
As you say on the constant, "Raise your game or get the hell out of the court."
Bane lacks anything approaching their technique and ability.
Which is an argument from personal belief.
Substantiate that stuff you mentioned, and then get back to me.
Vader, Windu, or Maul would manhandle him, tear him apart, consume him, shit him back out in a bucket, and ship it back to Korriban where the contents are used as fertilizer.[/B]
Or... Bane uses his time freezing speed to run circles around them, they all get dizzy and lose consciousness (with the exception of Vader who, by that point in time, is in the middle of having a heart attack), and Bomo Greenbark (the Nosaurian Gangster featured in the Dark Times series of comics who officially puts the B into Badman) randomly turns up out of nowhere and declares Bane the winner by KO [and HA in Vader's case].
By the way LS, the only material other than Karpyshyn's Bane duology that Bane appears in has mostly been retconned and redone, so they're not really worth the read. If you haven't read any of the material on Ulic Quel-Droma though, I'd highly recommend that stuff (The Tales of the Jedi series of comics, the exact names, IIRC, being "Knights of the Old Republic," "The Freedon Nadd Uprising," "Dark Lords of the Sith," "The Sith Wars," and "Redemption."😉. He's basically the EU's version of Anakin Skywalker, and his story is one of the more interesting ones.
Originally posted by IKP
By the way LS, the only material other than Karpyshyn's Bane duology that Bane appears in has mostly been retconned and redone, so they're not really worth the read. If you haven't read any of the material on Ulic Quel-Droma though, I'd highly recommend that stuff (The Tales of the Jedi series of comics, the exact names, IIRC, being "Knights of the Old Republic," "The Freedon Nadd Uprising," "Dark Lords of the Sith," "The Sith Wars," and "Redemption."😉. He's basically the EU's version of Anakin Skywalker, and his story is one of the more interesting ones.
Thanks.
I'll probably read about DE sidious to see what all the fuss is about 🙂
The only other weakness (if you can call it that) that the orbalisk armor has I believe is at/or around wrists/hands and possibly around the shins(not to sure though) other than that the only other part of the body that is not covered with orbalisk armor is his face which he wears a mask to protect the orbalisk from suffocating him though I'm fairly positive nothing said that it was lightsaber resistant.
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
Sorry to bring up an old thread but I saw this and couldn't resist.You all do know that Kar Vastor is actually more deadly in hand-to-hand combat than any of those people right?
He kicked the crap out of Mace and choked him out.
That being said, even Bane would be killed by him.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Kar Vastor is the best. He pwnd Mace Windu.
His best bet vs Bane would to go for the head which is the biggest part of the body not covered by orbalisks.