i think global warming is serious in the next 50-100 years we will see alot of changes in weather,landscapes and high waters i know my mom drives a esate car and because its a high powered car she as got to pay more taxes as they say she polluting the environment more than other drivers. in the uk we are proudcing windmills threw a company called eon uk leading integrated power and gas companies.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The Earth will get Hot and then cool down and the Ice Age will return....that's what I think.
No the earth is coming out of the ice age .it wont return back once the ice caps melt wich the sceinist say it will be in the next 75 years the earth will change to a new climate wich could be very very warm wich could change our environment and change the human race or even wipe us out like the neatherdals and dinosaurs.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
...because? I'm receptive to this advice, and take anything I hear with a grain of salt unless it is repeatedly corroborated by other sources. I just need to see the evidence and/or counter-arguments before accepting it at face value.Because otherwise, their argument seemed more logically laid out than Gore's imo. I won't call myself certain (because I'm far from it) but my sensibilities lay closer to the Swindle movie than with Gore's.
Here's a decent link for anyone interested (thanks chill):
http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/
...doesn't have the movie itself, but it summarizes a lot of the ideas.But my original point was that the debate has been squelched (which it has). More people should be aware of these arguments, because pretending they don't exist and stunting scientific inquiry into the matter is just as bad (or worse) as believing a false premise.
http://www.climateofdenial.net/?q=node/2
unfortunately the items are listed in reverse chronological order, so you have to read bottom to top to get the whole picture
I would categorically disagree that any scientific voice is being ignored. Were there actual science that confirmed to the idea that global warming is not man made, it would be broadcast on Fox news 18 hours a day. There is also robust debate about every aspect of global warming in the scientific community.
wikipedia also covers it well:
and I would highlight this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle#The_Armand_Leroi_Correspondence
Originally posted by Bardock42
I hope you also caution them to believe in "Al Gore's inconvenient hour of bullshit" in the same breath.
of course. both are fairly obvious propaganda pieces
I got forwarded this article a few weeks back. What do you make of it, inimalist?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025
Originally posted by Bardock42
I got forwarded this article a few weeks back. What do you make of it, inimalist?http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025
really interesting. In my understanding, the most important quote in the article is "Global warming doesn't mean every year will be warmer than the last"
Honestly, more than Al Gore or the Global Warming Swindle, its been the radical environmental movement and the ignorant sensationalist media that has ruined public understanding of Global Warming.
We associate it with seasonal things, like hot summers or how early flowers blossom. In Canada, we have seen some really hot summers recently, and everyone is like OMG, global warming, its just going to keep getting hotter, as if the world is a decade away from igniting.
Real expected temperature change in 100 years is something like 1 degree or something.
I guess that is a little tangental, but its the perspective I see the article in, an interesting short term trend, but I don't think it says much to the long term. Hell, it'd be really nice if our planet had an adequate heat monitoring system to compensate for warming
Originally posted by inimalist
really interesting. In my understanding, the most important quote in the article is "Global warming doesn't mean every year will be warmer than the last"Honestly, more than Al Gore or the Global Warming Swindle, its been the radical environmental movement and the ignorant sensationalist media that has ruined public understanding of Global Warming.
We associate it with seasonal things, like hot summers or how early flowers blossom. In Canada, we have seen some really hot summers recently, and everyone is like OMG, global warming, its just going to keep getting hotter, as if the world is a decade away from igniting.
Real expected temperature change in 100 years is something like 1 degree or something.
I guess that is a little tangental, but its the perspective I see the article in, an interesting short term trend, but I don't think it says much to the long term. Hell, it'd be really nice if our planet had an adequate heat monitoring system to compensate for warming
I'm not sure how accurate some of the expected temperatures are. Some of the temperatures in the U.S. are beyond ridiculous in different seasons.
well yes, but we have had more snow here in Canada this year than in at least 40. Does this mean that global warming is over?
I don't think short term changes in climate are caused by global warming, whether or not they are related to co2 emissions or whatever, I don't know, but my understanding is that they are separate things