Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
So once again, where is Revan's legit authority to be crowned Dark Lord, the same person that Bane hero-worships.
-Semantics much, and more importantly she predates the ancients she was one of the originals whom without the Ancients wouldn't exist. Her authority is as good as theres. And considering he was studying under the Holocron fro what 15+ years, and he went back to Korriban to finalize his study before becoming dark lord only cements his status.
-Krayt waited and took over an incumbent government, that he had tricked into warfare with the Jedi, he played the Empire, he played the Galactic Allaince, and he played the Jedi. And in the end he's ruler of the Galaxy, where as Bane did what? Owes everything he is to Revan, killed the Sith using Revan's technique, created rules based on Revan's philosophy, and then hid...and died...and some 1000 years later Palpatine comes along and rules the galaxy for 26 years, and even then Palpatine breaks Banes rules...some Legacy. If Krayt is nothing without the Empire, Bane is nothing without Revan, and Palpatines nothing without the weak corrupt Republic to manipulate.
Nobody said Revan was a legitimate DLOTS either.
So what is Bane bitching about? That makes him an illigitamite Sith Lord, as his reign stems from anther "self proclaimed" Darth, and his original Sith lineage through Ruin is a group of pretenders also. Bane has no right to point fingers.
Except you don't know how long he studied with the holocron seeing as how he got caught by an advance scout Vong ship, which could have been anywhere from 10-25 ABY.
But we do know it was for a number of years likely more then 10, but its irrelevant.
Furthermore, a DLOTS can crown another DLOTS. A sith lord can't just crown you DLOTS. At the same time, I don't see Xoxaan crowning him a DLOTS, so I don't know what you're bitching about. Darth Krayt is as much a DLOTS as Jacen is, aka self proclaimed.
Meaning all other Sith save for Exar Kun and Palpatine, and Vader are all illegit pretenders, as these are the only ones with the blessings from the Ancients.
Krayt didn't corrupt ANYBODY. Krayt sided with the Empire to destroy the Jedi, that's all. The Empire did the legwork while Krayt came in and claimed the prize. Unless of course you think 1-2,000 weak sith are a match for the empire. Palpatine is the most successful and influential sith in the star wars mythos, give it up. Palpatine manipulated everybody starting from scratch, and destroyed the Jedi Order. Krayt sided with a powerful empire and destroyed the Jedi Temple. Congrats.
Fact - The Sith sabotaged the Ossus project
Fact - That lead to the Galactic/Imperial War
Fact - The Sith lent themselves to the Empire whom allowed the Empire to even win the war against the Jedi and GA as the Imp Knights did not participate in the conflict
Fact - Krayt took power from Roan Fel then had the Moffs swear loyalty to him.
Though less subtle and doesn't compare to Palpatine it sure as hell beats out anything Bane did.
And your saying this like I care, I'm defending Krayt v Bane and his absurd comments not Krayt v Palpatine, who was a Banite sith in name only as he didn't follow Banes rules and probably didn't give a shit about Bane either. Krayt saw his opportunity and snatched it, Bane did nothing but hid, I'm saying if his Legacy is having Palpatine rule the galaxy for 26 years after a 1000 year wait then he failed pretty hardcore.
And its most likely gonna be a Lakers/Pistons Finals.
Krayt's feats are not unimpressive. He certainly is not Palpatine in regards to manipulation and take-overs, but he has steal achieved to assume a seat of power by blunt force. As Styles has said, he played pretty much everyone. The Empire and the Alliance were coexisting peacefully as they were both trying to rebuild the Galaxy. All was peaceful and going well until Krayt had the Ossus Project sabotaged, which triggered the war between the Alliance and the Empire.
But Krayt is no better than Bane. Sure, Bane did not become a galactic ruler, but he took an original view of the Sith Order and perfected his plans so that eventually someone could take over. Bane did not want to be ruler, he wanted a Sith to be ruler, whoever it eventually would be. This ended up being Palpatine, of course. Bane was willing to have the patience to do this, as all prior Sith attempts to take over the Galaxy through military might had utterly failed.
Anyways, Krayt did not just side with the winning team. I find it likely that he intended to side with the Empire unless his plan failed, as the Empire has had its history with the Emperor Palpatine as opposed to the do-gooders of the Rebellion that the Alliance was known for affiliating with. The Empire is inherently corrupted, whereas the Rebellion is inherently sparkling and shiningly moral and just. Not that that gets them anywhere, really...
As for achieving the title of Dark Lord of the Sith, I thought it was always delegated to whichever Sith was the most powerful and able to remain in command, rather than being picked. For example, Revan was Dark Lord until Malak tried offing him, and so since Revan no longer remembered his identity as a Sith, that left Malak to fill the power vacuum.
So it is with Krayt. He is, currently, the most powerful Sith. Even though his training to become a Sith is a little sketchy and doesn't pass with many people, training with the holocron is enough for him to be canonically considered a Sith Lord.
As for the numbers of the Sith, Sexy, the authors of the series have reported in interviews that the Sith Order is meant to number at least ten thousand after a hundred years of recruiting and training. Far easier for the Sith to fill the ranks than the Jedi.
So then at this point, is the current government on the completely opposite side of the spectrum compared to the Old Republic? Whereas it was the Jedi Order/Republic it's now Sith Order/Empire, right?
It's actually kind of interesting to note that this is actually the first time the Sith have had there own order that isn't like.. illegal. When Palps and the GE were in power there was no actual Sith Order, just him and Vader, so that doesn't count.
You would think that with thousands of sith, someone would try to take over Krayt's position, as this has always been done by the sith in the way of treachery. But for some reason the authors made it so all of these weak sith were completely loyal and wouldn't dare take over Krayt's position, not even if he was in stasis, thereby contradicting all of the characteristics of a sith.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You would think that with thousands of sith, someone would try to take over Krayt's position, as this has always been done by the sith in the way of treachery. But for some reason the authors made it so all of these weak sith were completely loyal and wouldn't dare take over Krayt's position, not even if he was in stasis, thereby contradicting all of the characteristics of a sith.
Simply put Krayt changed the Sith, their power hungry backstabbing is what allowed them to weed out the weak, but it is ultimately almost ALWAYS their undoing. And these Sith are trained from birth mostly to be dead loyal to Krayt. Also its not like the Sith colors have been completely erased, you can already see the seeds of deception with Maladi and Nihl plotting against him as they see him growing more and more unstable, and as they learn of the old Sith. His power is keeping them in line, nothing new, Revan controlled his Empire through his sheer power, and the only one strong enough to challenge him at any level was Malak and he only dared to go against Revan because thats what Revan taught him by his own admission. So really what are you crying about?
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Simply put Krayt changed the Sith, their power hungry backstabbing is what allowed them to weed out the weak, but it is ultimately almost ALWAYS their undoing. And these Sith are trained from birth mostly to be dead loyal to Krayt. Also its not like the Sith colors have been completely erased, you can already see the seeds of deception with Maladi and Nihl plotting against him as they see him growing more and more unstable, and as they learn of the old Sith. His power is keeping them in line, nothing new, Revan controlled his Empire through his sheer power, and the only one strong enough to challenge him at any level was Malak and he only dared to go against Revan because thats what Revan taught him by his own admission. So really what are you crying about?
He didn't change the sith. He reverted back to the ancient sith ways when there would be 1 DLOTS and the rest are sith lords, and he got a full bunch of weak sith so they couldn't challenge him. And your whole loyalty logic is thrown out the window, seeing how betrayal is the way of the sith, whether it was the ancient sith, or Bane's sith. Krayt is a pretender to the thrown. The sith lords of the past don't recognize him, ergo he is a pretender, as was Jacen.
Originally posted by Ivalice
Least i prefer krayt over caedus, caedus is phucked up. He gets nifty powers all of a sudden with no source of knowledge and somehow gets shatterpoint.Feck LOTF. Bloodlines was enough to make me stop reading.
So putting the anger of the authors aside do you like the character of krayt over the character of Caedus?