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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
There was no cheap shot but I dont really care enough to argue.
Because Namor told Wolverine that he was a friend, and shortly before that incident that Wolverine was an ally of Atlantis.
Namor let loose the first punch while Wolverine was clearly restraining himself. That said they both resorted to cheap shots. But to say that Namor was smacking Wolverine around before the pool dive is pretty innacurate.
Originally posted by jinzin
😂Because Namor told Wolverine that he was a friend, and shortly before that incident that Wolverine was an ally of Atlantis.
Namor let loose the first punch while Wolverine was clearly restraining himself. That said they both resorted to cheap shots. But to say that Namor was smacking Wolverine around before the pool dive is pretty innacurate.
Actually you are right saying he was smacking the **** out of Wolverine is an exaggeration, sorry im going from memory.
However Wolverine threatened Namor and he was also looking at Namor before he threw the punch, Namor was too fast for him.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Actually you are right saying he was smacking the **** out of Wolverine is an exaggeration, sorry im going from memory.However Wolverine threatened Namor and he was also looking at Namor before he threw the punch, Namor was too fast for him.
Likewise, Wolverine had Namor's face at claw point before Namor could even react. So either these characters move to fast for either one to react when they start attacking each other, which wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, or neither one of them were really expecting a fight. Given the story I think the ladder holds more weight than the former. 😬
Originally posted by snoopdogg
How many times has Sabes battled a Namor level strength opponent?
Sabes has toe to toed it with 5 people off the top of my head at Namor (out of water of course) level strength.
With the exception of Sas he was beating all of them or did beat all of them.
That's why I think this appeal to strength is a bit of a reach.
Originally posted by jinzinWhat characters where they? Where they cannon fodder?
Sabes has toe to toed it with 5 people off the top of my head at Namor (out of water of course) level strength.With the exception of Sas he was beating all of them or did beat all of them.
That's why I think this appeal to strength is a bit of a reach.
And I agree about the strength. Sasquatch kept pounding on Creed but he didn't go down.
Wendigo, Sasquatch and Killpower are all class 100's.
I believe that it was implied to be the same with Sinister's supermen who creed downed.
Creed's also fought with Juggernaught for an undetermined amount of time in New X-men.
And given that I'm only discussing a straight fight, plus Namor's limitations when out of his element the fights Sabes has had with Rogue and Warbird might hold some relevance here too. Sabretooth killed three dogs of war who owned Rogue in a physical confrontation.
Also, just food for thought but AOA Sabes took on Holocaust, the AOA handbook actually states that the fight you asked me about with Colossus did take place and only ended due to Sabretooth losing his military back up at the same time, and AOA Sabes fought briefly with Maestro Hulk. In the Marvel vs. DC unlimited arc, Sabes fought with Superboy indefinitely without going down. Though, I suppose the last few examples are a bit of a reach, they only stand as supporting evidence that strength doesn't necessarily equate to a win over a guy like Sabretooth.
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't think that's a reasonable observation.Likewise, Wolverine had Namor's face at claw point before Namor could even react.
Ok stop stretching you already had a reasonable point.
Originally posted by jinzin
So either these characters move to fast for either one to react when they start attacking each other, which wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, or neither one of them were really expecting a fight. Given the story I think the ladder holds more weight than the former. 😬
In hindsight you have a good point. I dont really think the fact that Wolverine was facing him or threatning him is the issue anymore its the fact like you said they were allies and Namor came as a friend, so when Namor turned up he was like "Awwwww man!!!!! Now im gonna have to threaten this guy and I really dont wanna do it 😬" Your right he might not have expected a fight and he didnt really want one either.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok stop stretching you already had a reasonable point.In hindsight you have a good point. I dont really think the fact that Wolverine was facing him or threatning him is the issue anymore its the fact like you said they were allies and Namor came as a friend, so when Namor turned up he was like "Awwwww man!!!!! Now im gonna have to threaten this guy and I really dont wanna do it 😬" Your right he might not have expected a fight and he didnt really want one either.
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Originally posted by snoopdogg
When did Sabes battle Juggernaut? I remember a scuffle with depowered Juggy though. Don't remember how that went though.I remember a issue of X-Men where Sebastian Shaw got Creed to back down and walk away with his tail between his legs.
It was around New X-Men 124 or something. Sabes goes after Juggernaught after he turns his back on the Brotherhood, then there's an interlude, so most of the fight's off panel, when it goes back to the fight Sabretooth is clawing away at the back of Juggy's helmet riding his shoulders, the fight gets interrupted before it's finished though.
Originally posted by jinzinIt was X-Men 162. Sabes jumps on Cain's back while he is being tangled up by Black Tom. Sabes then slashes at Juggy doing no damage it looked. Not really a good example because almost anybody could have jumped on Cain's back while he is fighting somebody else.
It was around New X-Men 124 or something. Sabes goes after Juggernaught after he turns his back on the Brotherhood, then there's an interlude, so most of the fight's off panel, when it goes back to the fight Sabretooth is clawing away at the back of Juggy's helmet riding his shoulders, the fight gets interrupted before it's finished though.