When Would It Be Considered Acceptable to Like Wolverine?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine doesn't have any more monthly appearances then Spider-man, Batman or Superman. So you need to ask yourself, what makes them more deserving then Wolverine? He is a popular flag ship character with a more interesting back story either of those three and yet people ***** and moan about Wolverine's appearances... and totally ignore the fact that Batman makes up 90% of DCs monthly issues. Batman appeared in no less then 10 (plus what ever guest appearances he may have had) in continuity titles in May, but he is easier to swallow then Wolverine? I mean at least Wolverine can go for weeks without sleep, so him being all over the place makes some degree of sense but Batman...

And if we are being honest, he doesn't get all that much panel time; not even in the books he is official part of. He rarely does much of anything in New Avengers or Astonishing.

hell he was wizard top chioces for greatest character.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
co-signed.

hell he was wizard top chioces for greatest character.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
That's there opinion. Doesn't mean its true.

though an entire company decided the best character was wolverine.................

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.......................it always a matter of opinion.............there no way to prove one character is the best.............it simply peoples opinions.............

though an entire company decided the best character was wolverine.................

I've come across a crap load of polls on the internet with different results. This is the first time I've seen an entire group of people who arent all completely wolverine fan boys (or maybe they are) say wolverine is the best in marvel.

Oh well. As you said, opinion.

wizard said he was the greatest chatacter ever? let them... doesnt make a difference to me...

when i was growing up (mid to late 80s, early 90s), EVERYONE who liked comics that i knew loved logan, i was almost a pariah for being a cyclops fan... logan was always be popular, cos he's the standard definition of what people would describe as being 'cool'

Originally posted by Arachnid1
The best character in marvel?

I've come across a crap load of polls on the internet with different results. This is the first time I've seen an entire group of people who arent all completely wolverine fan boys (or maybe they are) say wolverine is the best in marvel.

Oh well. As you said, opinion.

wizard arre far from wolverine fanboys.

Best character ever? That's a bold claim. What were the criteria, or was it just popular vote?

Where did superman rank? I mean, he's the very definition of what it is to be a superhero; everyone else is just playing the game.

it is wizard, these are the same guys who hype up stuff like ultimates 3...

Originally posted by Genosha
Best character ever? That's a bold claim. What were the criteria, or was it just popular vote?

Where did superman rank? I mean, he's the very definition of what it is to be a superhero; everyone else is just playing the game.

WIZARD's top 10

10. John Constantine
9. Magneto
8. Hellboy
7. Captain America
6. Rorschach
5. The Joker
4. Superman
3. Spider-man
2. Batman
1. Wolverine

Leaping to life on the final page of The Incredible Hulk #180 in 1974, Wolverine didn't make much of a first impression: a runt of a Canadian sporting unwieldy foot-long claws and wearing an unusually bright costume with cat whiskers—cat whiskers, for cryin' out loud!

And yet, through his first half decade—thanks to caretakers John Byrne, Chris Claremont and Frank Miller—this super-badass somehow seized responsibility for what we call the modern comic book hero. Sure, Batman's brooding ways (post-Neal Adams, that is) dimmed the medium's tone, but Wolverine, the mutant with an unbreakable skeleton and razor-sharp pincers, allowed for a hero's dark side to come out of the shadows. The man called Logan came into his own during the raw cynicism of the 1970s—amidst the fall of Nixon, the defeat of Vietnam, the Iran hostage situation—the perfect time for a more nebulous hero to thrive in a culture where faith was lost. He was so unlike the average costumed adventurer. He chain-smoked. He had a thirst for beer. He was an outcast who was alone even in a room full of friends. And he killed.

Superman, Batman and Spider-Man don't own the top slot simply because they live in a world of black and white, definitive right and wrong. Wolverine exists in colorful shades of gray. The appeal of the X-Men's surliest member stems from his knack for fighting the bad guys with bad guy rules. Like his animal namesake, he's a killing machine who mauls his enemies with ferocious impunity. But despite this nasty nature, Wolverine is man—a warrior—with a noble samurai-like sense of honor and duty. His greatest challenge lies not in formidable foes such as Magneto or Sabretooth, but in his ability to cage the beast within.

It's never easy. With his mutant ability to heal quickly, he throws himself against the most brutal opponents, taking more punishment than most. It's no wonder we've seen him open up a can of "berserker rage" every now and then.

No longer a hero of mysterious origin, he knows exactly what misdeeds he's done. Ashamed of who he once was, Logan must now atone for the sins of a person he no longer is.

Wolverine's not a Man of Steel, a Caped Crusader or a Star-Spangled Avenger; he's just a man trying to be better than he is.

That was WIZARD'S reason naming Wolverine number one, and honestly does anyone disagree with any of that?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
WIZARD's top 10

10. John Constantine
9. Magneto
8. Hellboy
7. Captain America
6. Rorschach
5. The Joker
4. Superman
3. Spider-man
2. Batman
1. Wolverine

That was WIZARD'S reason naming Wolverine number one, and honestly does anyone disagree with any of that? [/B]

Who could disagree with that? 😉

Originally posted by Neo_Version 7
I personally used to hate Wolverine (far too many fanboys, poorly written, Skyfather-like level, etc.) but now it seems a number of people have realized his overrated-ness as well (for lack of a better or actual word).

I mean he really is not a bad character when written well and exposed in small doses. Now I consider him one of my favorite characters in an ironic way.

So, my point is, when would you guys ever like him as a character? When Marvel decides to depower him? If they stop with the multiple Wolvie titles?

yes, when they stop over promoting him, I guess I just don't like when people from groups are pushed much more than the others, Initially Wolverine was my 2nd fav to Storm, because he was the guy who didn't say much, but when he did something it was awesome, then he fell to the background, all mysterioussly- dangerous and all

Now he's everywhere, giving inspirational speaches and leading teams and all, it's out of character for me, I liked him better as the angry loner, and not the focal point

I would disagree that spidey, superman, and batman are black and white heros, pure of heart. They've all had to fight against thier darker impulses. I mean Batman was an antihero before logan was a twinkle in his mother's eye.

Anyway, I'm not saying that wolverine isn't an interesting read...But Superman 4th? I'm not even a fan of the man o' steel and that just seems...inaccurate. Constantine made the list though, that's pretty cool.

actaully batman really was not an anti-hero in the mordern senses. Logan was would created the modern anti-hero which actually is the reason batman is the character he is to day

My issues with Wolverine has always been his over exposure and his own fanboy writers. Dont get me wrong, I like the character, I really do. I like his history, his origin, and all the reasonable stuff hes done in his career. But honestly he doesnt need to sleep with every heroine, he doesnt need to be scoring wins he should, he shouldnt be getting the powers of captain marvel or taking center stage of 7+ titles a month. But lets be fair here, Marvel has a goldmine with him, so why not push him as much as possible. Dont hate the character, hate the hype. I personally liked him best when he was the tough guy in the background. The one who didnt dominate every page but who you knew was there and knew he'd kick some ass when the time came. The team is called the X-Men, not Wolverine and Co.

Originally posted by redhotrash
My issues with Wolverine has always been his over exposure and his own fanboy writers. Dont get me wrong, I like the character, I really do. I like his history, his origin, and all the reasonable stuff hes done in his career. But honestly he doesnt need to sleep with every heroine, he doesnt need to be scoring wins he should, he shouldnt be getting the powers of captain marvel or taking center stage of 7+ titles a month. But lets be fair here, Marvel has a goldmine with him, so why not push him as much as possible. Dont hate the character, hate the hype. I personally liked him best when he was the tough guy in the background. The one who didnt dominate every page but who you knew was there and knew he'd kick some ass when the time came. The team is called the X-Men, not Wolverine and Co.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine doesn't have any more monthly appearances then Spider-man, Batman or Superman. So you need to ask yourself, what makes them more deserving then Wolverine? He is a popular flag ship character with a more interesting back story either of those three and yet people ***** and moan about Wolverine's appearances... and totally ignore the fact that Batman makes up 90% of DCs monthly issues. Batman appeared in no less then 10 (plus what ever guest appearances he may have had) in continuity titles in May, but he is easier to swallow then Wolverine? I mean at least Wolverine can go for weeks without sleep, so him being all over the place makes some degree of sense but Batman...

And if we are being honest, he doesn't get all that much panel time; not even in the books he is official part of. He rarely does much of anything in New Avengers or Astonishing.

He doesn't have any more monthly appearances then Spider-man, Batman, or Superman... and judging by actual panel time he probably has significantly less (most of the his guest appearances he show up for a few panels and does nothing). He isn't center stage in any of the books he appears in other then his solo titles (and he rarely plays an important part in the major story line of any of the team books he is in). In essence... you're problems with Wolverine are either made up or non-existant.

So you like the character... and his origins... but make up reason you don't like him... and ignore the fact that all of his "hype" and shortcomings are matched and superseded by the other top three comic book icons? Doesn't make much sense... unless you are a lair and thought claiming you actually liked Wolverine when you didn't would someone validate your oppinion.

Seriously though, people are just looking for a reason to hate Wolverine. Every problem he has Batman has the 100th degree.

Originally posted by Neo_Version 7

So, my point is, when would you guys ever like him as a character?

When and if his character ever appeals to you

I used to like Wolverine, until, much like the star wars universe, he was shoved down my fuking throat.

The Batman problem doesnt affect me because I dont read a lot of DC anymore. Besides even if Batman and Spidey are oversaturated, which they are, that doesnt make it right. Thats like saying Hitler wasnt a A-hole because he didnt kill as many people as Stalin.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
WIZARD's top 10

10. John Constantine
9. Magneto
8. Hellboy
7. Captain America
6. Rorschach
5. The Joker
4. Superman
3. Spider-man
2. Batman
1. Wolverine

That was WIZARD'S reason naming Wolverine number one, and honestly does anyone disagree with any of that? [/B]

i do... its just THEIR opinion, the same guys who go on about how great jeph loeb and brian bendis are, etc...

i mean, its their opinion, and they're entitled to it, but i strongly disagree...

Originally posted by Raoul
i do... its just THEIR opinion, the same guys who go on about how great jeph loeb and brian bendis are, etc...

i mean, its their opinion, and they're entitled to it, but i strongly disagree...

Leaping to life on the final page of The Incredible Hulk #180 in 1974, Wolverine didn't make much of a first impression: a runt of a Canadian sporting unwieldy foot-long claws and wearing an unusually bright costume with cat whiskers—cat whiskers, for cryin' out loud!

And yet, through his first half decade—thanks to caretakers John Byrne, Chris Claremont and Frank Miller—this super-badass somehow seized responsibility for what we call the modern comic book hero. Sure, Batman's brooding ways (post-Neal Adams, that is) dimmed the medium's tone, but Wolverine, the mutant with an unbreakable skeleton and razor-sharp pincers, allowed for a hero's dark side to come out of the shadows. The man called Logan came into his own during the raw cynicism of the 1970s—amidst the fall of Nixon, the defeat of Vietnam, the Iran hostage situation—the perfect time for a more nebulous hero to thrive in a culture where faith was lost. He was so unlike the average costumed adventurer. He chain-smoked. He had a thirst for beer. He was an outcast who was alone even in a room full of friends. And he killed.

Superman, Batman and Spider-Man don't own the top slot simply because they live in a world of black and white, definitive right and wrong. Wolverine exists in colorful shades of gray. The appeal of the X-Men's surliest member stems from his knack for fighting the bad guys with bad guy rules. Like his animal namesake, he's a killing machine who mauls his enemies with ferocious impunity. But despite this nasty nature, Wolverine is man—a warrior—with a noble samurai-like sense of honor and duty. His greatest challenge lies not in formidable foes such as Magneto or Sabretooth, but in his ability to cage the beast within.

It's never easy. With his mutant ability to heal quickly, he throws himself against the most brutal opponents, taking more punishment than most. It's no wonder we've seen him open up a can of "berserker rage" every now and then.

No longer a hero of mysterious origin, he knows exactly what misdeeds he's done. Ashamed of who he once was, Logan must now atone for the sins of a person he no longer is.

Wolverine's not a Man of Steel, a Caped Crusader or a Star-Spangled Avenger; he's just a man trying to be better than he is.

I didn't ask you if you disagreed with the list, I asked if you could argue with the reasoning provided for Wolverine being number one. There is very little in the way of opinion in provided in WIZARDS reasoning. It is just a straight forward overview of who Wolverine is and what he stands for, so there is little room for disagreement with what they said.

You can disagree that it is enough to make him number one but you can't really disagree with what was actually said... because it's all true. If you can find any fault in WIZARD's reasons for why Wolverine is number one, I'd love to hear them.

EDIT: And Bendis and Loeb have both done some terrific, terrific work...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I didn't ask you if you disagreed with the list, I asked if you could argue with the reasoning provided for Wolverine being number one. There is very little in the way of opinion in provided in WIZARDS reasoning. It is just a straight forward overview of who Wolverine is and what he stands for, so there is little room for disagreement with what they said.

You can disagree that it is enough to make him number one but you can't really disagree with what was actually said... because it's all true. If you can find any fault in WIZARD's reasons for why Wolverine is number one, I'd love to hear them.

why they love him, no, i can't argue with that at all, because as you said, its true... that he's #1, yes, i would disagree with that...

EDIT: And Bendis and Loeb have both done some terrific, terrific work...

and these guys hype up the bad as much as the good, if not moreso...

bendis, imo hasnt been good since, what was it, powers?

loeb has done good in the past, but since his unfortunate circumstances came to pass, he hasn't been the same imo...