Originally posted by Diamond Kissestru i do base my statement on game mechanics game vs forum = game mechanics no outside canon to show any feats = game mechanics and game mechanics only. simple logic
[b]I appreciate logic. In fact, one of my best friends is a professional in the matter. Not that I know how one can possibly be more of a professional in the matter than someone else, but I can live with that hmmI know logic and I know that you base your statements too much on game mechanics.
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Originally posted by Diamond Kissesyes tru very much which is why we go off of cutscenes lore etc etc to judge feats and a chars true ability while we have plenty of ingame cutscenes game mechanics and even some outside lore to go off of to judge feats for sora, riku, roxas, xemnas, and larxene, all were left with for mewtwo is "ultimate pokemon" not so much as a general number judging any feat in the speed,power,special ability area meaning all i have to go off of is game mechanics if i had more then there'd b more to it. blame nintendo for not giving him feats (and also giving us that wretched friend code system 😠 )
[b]Even though this is 'game', you need to think outside the box. If we included game mechanics in fights, some game characters would be undefeatable even though being undefeatable in their sense would be irrational. [/B]
Originally posted by dat_boi
gimme 1 speed or power or psychic feat mewtwo has also sora can teleport how the hell is he slow
Psychic power is the power of the mind, as such it can only be assumed to be as fast. Sora doesn't touch the speed needed to be so that Mewtwo cannot so much as react.
Top level of each, Mewtwo can one shot a Machamp, who has enough physical strength to throw about the skyscrapers Sora cut through.
If such a physically strong enemy is defeated in one attempt, so would Sora. Unless you can think of an adequate reason why not. I am listening
Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
[b]A VERY common question 😛Mewtwo in 'Mewtwo Returns' does get injured for the first time ever in the show. This was because he was being blackmailed and walked into a device which was designed especially to harm Mewtwo. It was constructed to weaken him and tame him by working trough his DNA. Giovanni wished to weaken him to such an extent that he could capture Mewtwo.
Although Mewtwo stood in this device for a long period of time and Giovanni who watched the status/data providen by the device even himself said that despite the immense strength in the device it did not even weaken him the slightest. Both Mewtwo's mind and health remained at top for as long as possible. He had to go for maximum effect to actually do any damage.
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If i remember correctly, i'm such Mewtwo was weakened to the point where he had to be carried around. To me, at least, that suggests Mewtwo can be rendered unable to fight back if only for while. In my books that should count as a defeat, should it not?
Based on that, Xemnas' Nothingness channeled into Mewtwo should in theory be able to do so.
But like i say, just my 2 cents on given feats and evidence
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Psychic power is the power of the mind, as such it can only be assumed to be as fast. Sora doesn't touch the speed needed to be so that Mewtwo cannot so much as react.Top level of each, Mewtwo can one shot a Machamp, who has enough physical strength to throw about the skyscrapers Sora cut through.
If such a physically strong enemy is defeated in one attempt, so would Sora. Unless you can think of an adequate reason why not. I am listening
true mewtwo at top level can one shot a machamp due to his elemental weakness to psychic attaccs 1 there is no elemental attribute fighting in kh nor is there a psychic attribute so there is not the elemental trump factor meaning were still at game mechanics
feel free to tryagain
Originally posted by dat_boi
psychic power is power of the mind true but we arent given an image of mewtwo doing anything with his mind so we cannot assume that he can at least in the realm of what we consider psychic ability tp,tk, or even teleportation in some cases however we are given images of sora teleporting (which btw is faster than tp could concievably keep up with anyway)true mewtwo at top level can one shot a machamp due to his elemental weakness to psychic attaccs 1 there is no elemental attribute fighting in kh nor is there a psychic attribute so there is not the elemental trump factor meaning were still at game mechanics
feel free to tryagain
I'm certain you're not making sense, It sounds like you're trying to say "Because there isn't sufficient animation in a hand held game console the attack doesn't count"
How about you try again. Or actually try, either way I'm good.
As for point 2. Psychic power of Mewtwo's level grasps the enemies body and can subject it to forces, e.g. being pushed into a wall or being crushed. There doesn't need to be an elemental factor here. Do you know how fragile humans are to Mewtwo's immense psychic power?
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I see.If i remember correctly, i'm such Mewtwo was weakened to the point where he had to be carried around. To me, at least, that suggests Mewtwo can be rendered unable to fight back if only for while. In my books that should count as a defeat, should it not?
Based on that, Xemnas' Nothingness channeled into Mewtwo should in theory be able to do so.
But like i say, just my 2 cents on given feats and evidence
Actually, if Mewtwo would not have tried to break loose, he would never have been injured to the extent. The more he struggled, the more energy it drained from him. He gave everything and basically what it did was use his 'everything' against him, converted into damage designed to harm Mewtwo specificly.
Giovanni's machine had no effect other than the one that held Mewtwo in place. Not until Mewtwo wanted to break out did he take actual damage.
Although you are correct. He did get severely injured as a result and had to be carried to the pond where he got renewed.
Although, in this fight he will have 'Recover'. The movie has loads of PIS involved, or Mewtwo would simply have used the move 'Recover' which is actually usable at even 1% health in the game and grants you full 🙂
Originally posted by EvilAngelwhat im saying at all i could have had the same argue ment about almost any turn based rpg but if the rpg gives us a cut scene that shows that x char can move at x speed then the whole arguement is wouldnt b valid but if they give us nothing we can only draw from what they give us. lets take for example ff7 they made a whole canon movie and 2 new games that displayed chars doing things that were never displayed in the original game giving the chars all type feats they never had b4 (granted the original game still gave us plenty to draw from)
I'm certain you're not making sense, It sounds like you're trying to say "Because there isn't sufficient animation in a hand held game console the attack doesn't count"How about you try again. Or actually try, either way I'm good.
As for point 2. Psychic power of Mewtwo's level grasps the enemies body and can subject it to forces, e.g. being pushed into a wall or being crushed. There doesn't need to be an elemental factor here. Do you know how fragile humans are to Mewtwo's immense psychic power?
Originally posted by EvilAngelhow bout the movie and the rest of the anime aint canon stats mean nothing in a crossover feats do and if the arguments such a joke y is it owning u so badly
Lol, Mewtwo's Special attack stat is ridculously high, Yes he would one shot a golem.Yeah, something to draw from... how about... the movie? lol. He carelessly deflected a hyper beam.
You don't have to try? Lol, you're argument is as much of a joke as that statement. L2D Nab
Originally posted by Diamond Kisseswhile it may appear to be canon as its events seem to be similar to the anime still is not canon to the anime nor is it canon to the games so still wrong but hey if you bring me proof that it is canon to both then we can have an all new discussion about how the team still would own but until then U WILL RESPECT THE DANCING BANANA 💃
[b]Pokemon Yellow is movie/anime canon ✅ [/B]
Originally posted by dat_boi
while it may appear to be canon as its events seem to be similar to the anime still is not canon to the anime nor is it canon to the games so still wrong but hey if you bring me proof that it is canon to both then we can have an all new discussion about how the team still would own but until then U WILL RESPECT THE DANCING BANANA 💃
Pokemon Yellow is based on the anime 😐 That makes the anime canon and the game a minor copy.
Originally posted by Diamond Kisseslike i said the anime isnt canon so neither is yellow provided they are canon to each other youd still have to prove that both yellow and the anime are canon actually if youll take a wiki as proof ill show you the article that points to the contrary
[b]Pokemon Yellow is based on the anime 😐 That makes the anime canon and the game a minor copy. [/B]