Thor vs Superman

"You saw Supes catch Thors hammer right? The hammer itself is more powerful than thor."

The hammer has been catched by others before. Air Walker. Hulk. Nefaria.

The hammer itself its a conduit for Thors power. He amps itself and his attacks by using it. Thor has made a godblast attack before without any hammer.

"You never answered my question either. Could someone a bit stronger than you break your wrist?"

Sure. And someone weaker than you can break lets say your ribs like Wonder Woman did to Superman in # 175 IIRC.

Originally posted by olympian

He did not contained -a- black hole in his hands. That "hole" was artificial, not a real deal. What he contained was the energy of that artificial hole before it got totally released.

And thats not impressive?

What would you call it?

Originally posted by olympian
"You saw Supes catch Thors hammer right? The hammer itself is more powerful than thor."

The hammer has been catched by others before. Air Walker. Hulk. Nefaria.

The hammer itself its a conduit for Thors power. He amps itself and his attacks by using it. Thor has made a godblast attack before without any hammer.

"You never answered my question either. Could someone a bit stronger than you break your wrist?"

Sure. And someone weaker than you can break lets say your ribs like Wonder Woman did to Superman in # 175 IIRC.

So more people have caught the hammer (which I am aware of)...what is your point with that?

And you are correct with the rib breaking thing. Supes heals from things a lot better and quicker than Thor does though.

Originally posted by olympian
"Action Comics #761 Superman and Wonder Woman battle and live together in a mystical universe for 1000 years (ridiculously) without Superman being sexually unfaithful for Lois Lane"

I lost any respect for Supes i ever had after that one. Freaking 1000 years, she begs and he doesnt go for it. And DC wants the character to be related to us? Wich guy wouldnt go for it.

"I've read a lot of Supes and a lot of Thor, and I'm positive Supes is strong enough to do this. Supes is his physical superior in every way."

If you say that, you havent really read Thor have you. " in every way "? Is that why Superman was getting busted before he resorted to heat vison in JLA/Avengers for example?

"So has Wonder Woman, and Supes broke her wrist."

Wonder Woman is not in the durability class of Thor/Herc/Hulk and Superman. In two fights against Supes she had broken arms, jaw whatever you name it. Thor fighting the others never got anything broken. And never broke anything of those opponents either.

"I think that Superman could break Thors wrist like he did to WW. For gods sake he contained a black hole for a bit with his hands"

He did not contained -a- black hole in his hands. That "hole" was artificial, not a real deal. What he contained was the energy of that artificial hole before it got totally released.

I think you have read a different issue of JLA/Avengers. In case you didnt notice, at the end of the fight..thor looked like hell, and supes looked fresh as a daisy.

Supes didnt even go full out on thor...has thor ever punched someone into space or across the solar system under his own power?

come to think of it i have never seen an orbital type punch that supes is known for doing to his opponents from thor but again i don't read much thor stuff anyway so if anyone is so kind to post it up maybe we,supes fan, can grant thor fans that he is strength wise on supes level-just a start

Originally posted by olympian
"You saw Supes catch Thors hammer right? The hammer itself is more powerful than thor."

The hammer has been catched by others before. Air Walker. Hulk. Nefaria.

The hammer itself its a conduit for Thors power. He amps itself and his attacks by using it. Thor has made a godblast attack before without any hammer.

"You never answered my question either. Could someone a bit stronger than you break your wrist?"

Sure. And someone weaker than you can break lets say your ribs like Wonder Woman did to Superman in # 175 IIRC.

When Nefaria did it for the first time, Thor remarked that not even the Hulk had been capable of doing this before. 😱

He did indeed

Thor wins this fight about 7-8/10

He doesn't even need Mjolnir to win it. Just a Godblast.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I think you have read a different issue of JLA/Avengers. In case you didnt notice, at the end of the fight..thor looked like hell, and supes looked fresh as a daisy.

Supes didnt even go full out on thor...has thor ever punched someone into space or across the solar system under his own power?

"I think you have read a different issue of JLA/Avengers. In case you didnt notice, at the end of the fight..thor looked like hell, and supes looked fresh as a daisy."

If you consider fresh as daisy, barely being able to stand and without having strenght to fight back against the dogpile he received then yeah, you do have another different version. The " Superman easily beat Thor and didnt got punked later ".

"Supes didnt even go full out on thor"

And where do you base that reasoning from may i ask? Consider how he got bleed and sent flying by Thor early in that saga, what reason do you give that he wouldnt do his best - with his universe at stake - in that fight. They wer all giving the best possible.

And in case i read " supes always helds back ", so does Thor. Has been stated in Avengers before.

"When Nefaria did it for the first time, Thor remarked that not even the Hulk had been capable of doing this before"

Hulk did it after Nefaria. Air Walker did it in one of his first appearances. Red Norvell did it also in his first meeting with Thor.

"Exactly.

And thats not impressive?

What would you call it?"

A non holding a black hole feat.

Originally posted by olympian
"I think you have read a different issue of JLA/Avengers. In case you didnt notice, at the end of the fight..thor looked like hell, and supes looked fresh as a daisy."

If you consider fresh as daisy, barely being able to stand and without having strenght to fight back against the dogpile he received then yeah, you do have another different version. The " Superman easily beat Thor and didnt got punked later ".

"Supes didnt even go full out on thor"

And where do you base that reasoning from may i ask? Consider how he got bleed and sent flying by Thor early in that saga, what reason do you give that he wouldnt do his best - with his universe at stake - in that fight. They wer all giving the best possible.

And in case i read " supes always helds back ", so does Thor. Has been stated in Avengers before.

"When Nefaria did it for the first time, Thor remarked that not even the Hulk had been capable of doing this before"

Hulk did it after Nefaria. Air Walker did it in one of his first appearances. Red Norvell did it also in his first meeting with Thor.

"Exactly.

And thats not impressive?

What would you call it?"

A non holding a black hole feat.

You said it yourself "early in that saga" on a sneak attack with mjolnir. Why ignore that fact that he easily caught Mjolnir later?

At the End Thor looked like her. Sure Supes was tired, but there was a big difference between Supes and the end of this fight and the OG fight with Doomsday.

As for Nefaria, and Hulk, its an impressivle downplaying of Thors hammer. If anything it makes it look weak. People that are not worthy should not be able to catch it. Period. Bad writing.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Can't say that I have seen him do it, though I don't doubt that he's capable.

If I made such a claim, the first thing you would ask for is an issue number or reference..so I would ask the same.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Thor wins this fight about 7-8/10

He doesn't even need Mjolnir to win it. Just a Godblast.

Thor loses 7/10. The Godblast takes to long, he'll lose much faster trying to do that move. 🙂

"You said it yourself "early in that saga" on a sneak attack with mjolnir. Why ignore that fact that he easily caught Mjolnir later?"

And again since he got punked early on and even had Manhaunters help to take on Thor why he would take easy on him later? As far as regular versions of - both - they wer going full on the fight. You dont do any less when your universe survival is at stake.

"At the End Thor looked like her. Sure Supes was tired, but there was a big difference between Supes and the end of this fight and the OG fight with Doomsday."

Same difference it was between how Thor looked like here and in one of his fights with the Hulk. Or Surtur. Or classic Mangog.

The man couldnt even stand right. Thats not just tired, its not being able to fight anymore.

"As for Nefaria, and Hulk, its an impressivle downplaying of Thors hammer. If anything it makes it look weak. People that are not worthy should not be able to catch it. Period. Bad writing"

The worthyness clausule only applies when you try to lift and used the hammer. You dont need to be worthy to stop Mjolnir`s swing, otherwise Superman wouldnt also be able to, considering that as we saw in the end of the issue, hes not considered worthy either.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman is nowhere near as durable as the Juggernaut. Not even close.

I found the rest of the fight that occurred following the image you provided to be rather interesting.
Since Thor was unable to physically overcome Juggernaut's forcefield, he ended up tossing Mjolnir out the window to circle the building they were in to create a magical spell that would nullify the forcefield. Thor then proceeded to beat the junk out of Juggy, and he was only robbed of a victory because he talked a little too much, and the spell ended just as he was about to land his final blow.

It's pretty hard for Juggy to land a punch on Thor.

Now, as far as a fight with Superman goes, this doesn't show his incredible fighting prowess off all that much, because Juggernaut wasn't really prepared for a good fight due to his reliance on the forcefield, and he's never been known for his combat skill. Juggernaut's best attributes are his strength, and especially his durability.

What it does show, however, is that Thor's magical capabilities go beyond just throwing lightning and summoning the Godforce. He can actually cast spells and create magical effects. I'm sure it's not on the level of a true master, by any means, but it's certainly something that could present even more problems for Superman.

Originally posted by dvampire
Thor loses 7/10. The Godblast takes to long, he'll lose much faster trying to do that move. 🙂

It doesn't take too long. He can do it in less than a second, and it doesn't have to be a beam. Supes won't be able to anticipate it, or dodge it.

Thors as strong as Superman, and he can cast all sorts of spells to give Superman hell. Thor definitely wins more often than not. 😉

Originally posted by olympian
"You said it yourself "early in that saga" on a sneak attack with mjolnir. Why ignore that fact that he easily caught Mjolnir later?"

And again since he got punked early on and even had Manhaunters help to take on Thor why he would take easy on him later? As far as regular versions of - both - they wer going full on the fight. You dont do any less when your universe survival is at stake.

"At the End Thor looked like her. Sure Supes was tired, but there was a big difference between Supes and the end of this fight and the OG fight with Doomsday."

Same difference it was between how Thor looked like here and in one of his fights with the Hulk. Or Surtur. Or classic Mangog.

The man couldnt even stand right. Thats not just tired, its not being able to fight anymore.

"As for Nefaria, and Hulk, its an impressivle downplaying of Thors hammer. If anything it makes it look weak. People that are not worthy should not be able to catch it. Period. Bad writing"

The worthyness clausule only applies when you try to lift and used the hammer. You dont need to be worthy to stop Mjolnir`s swing, otherwise Superman wouldnt also be able to, considering that as we saw in the end of the issue, hes not considered worthy either.

No. 1 - Supes was tired..but still looked in ok condition. Thor looked like an absolute mess. Punked early on? Caught by surprise? Point is. He beat the hell out of him later in a straight 1 on 1. Go around it anyway you want. Thor lost. I'm not going to argue this any further. It's ridiculous.

No. 2 - Now you can add Supes to the list.

No.3 - I'll admit I never could find the last issue, but Dc's thor gave supes the hammer and supes gave it back while he was with WW for 1000 years. Eitehr way, The hammer had a magic aura around it when supes caught it..and nobody should be catching the hammer anyway.

DC Thor and Marvel Thor are very different people.

are they not based on the legend of Thor what are the differences??

"Supes was tired..but still looked in ok condition. Thor looked like an absolute mess. Punked early on? Caught by surprise? Point is. He beat the hell out of him later in a straight 1 on 1. Go around it anyway you want. Thor lost. I'm not going to argue this any further. It's "ridiculous."

As much ridiculous is claiming Superman was ok, when he wasent. If he was ok he would be able to at least fight back when he got punked by the Avengers. He didnt. He got beaten instead. That for me its not being ok.

Getting caught when you see the guy swinging the hammer in front of you, wasent what happened?

"Now you can add Supes to the list."

And add Thor in Supes list of the ones who made him bleed and sent him flying in pain. It all goes down to the same point. They both have punked moments in the saga at different times.

"I'll admit I never could find the last issue, but Dc's thor gave supes the hammer and supes gave it back while he was with WW fo1000 years. Eitehr way, The hammer had a magic aura around it when supes caught it..and nobody should be catching the hammer anyway"

Two versions of Thor. Didnt that one like you said - gave it - as in allowed Superman to use the hammer?