<<And SS is not like superman, he can control his own energy , and cells.
Superman can't control his cells etc.
And yes I believe Thor could absorb cosmic energy from SS>>
that's not a bad argument kg, but since mjollnir is above ss, if it wanted to drain ss, i can't see how ss could stop him. i doubt he could knock the hammer away WHILE being drained, or use much of any other power while being drained.
again, this power has rarely been used by thor, and i've never seen him drain anyone like supes (ie pull energy from cells) so i don't see it happening.
Originally posted by dvampireHey I have been waiting for that pic.
Or Superman just gives him the "Thor buster punch". 🙂
That pic shows that Superman is faster than light also. He was on Earth when he found out Lex was voted the next president.
He flew to Saturn in 4 minutes. How long does light take to make that trip?
Reasons why Thor should win 🙂 :
Thor's a better fighter:Avengers-Annual-#18, Captain America stated this about Thor’s skills, "He is an expert combatant, having been trained for hundreds of years in the art of war." "His understanding of tactics and strategies ENCOMPASSES the teaching of cultures over several centuries."
2. Faster:
10) SPEED: A) Thor could throw the hammer at the speed of light. See Thor#140, Thor#274; and, or can swing the hammer at TWICE the speed of light- Journey Into Mystery#102. B) In Thor -#393- it’s established that the speed of Thor’s hammer TRANSCENDS both TIME & SPACE. C) Also, Thor could appear anywhere across the Universe or other dimensions in just seconds (see- FF#339, and Thor#166). D) In addition, Thor could, visually, detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happen when Thor was the target of artillery fire- see Invaders#33- and Avengers-#281- when he saw the speedy Hermes). E) In the early issues of Journey Into Mystery, there were instances that Thor used Super-Human speed, physically speaking-that is. However, it’s impossible to measure his speed based on those depictions. However, in Marvel Team-up#26, it gives a slight more accurate description on Thor’s Super-Human speed, and you could make a similar case in Invaders-#33, where Thor (with his hammer) deflected artillery bullets fired at him by moving his ENITRE LEFT ARM at super-Human speed. Specifically, in Marvel Team Up-#26, the writer makes it fundamentally clear that Thor can move almost faster than mere MORTAL eyes can follow, and in Thor-#354, Thor was toying with Hela using speed that according to her was beyond comprehension. Thor stated that he was swift as the very lightning itself. G) Finally, the High Evolutionary using Thor’s DNA, did create a real Super-Speedster in Zefra. Question is, does Thor possess similar potential to that of Zefra due to his own unique DNA? After all, Thor’s DNA is quite different than that of mortals- Avengers-#14 (vol.1)- that’s for the writers to decide in some future date, I guess.
3. Power Absorption:
5) POWER TO ABSORB: A) Thor's hammer can absorb limitless amount of energy. For instance, Thor's hammer absorbed the energy of a Null Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire Galaxy and turn it to Cosmic energy and Re-Ignite a Dead Sun (a Galaxy may contain 200 billion to 400 billions Solar Systems-depending on their relative size). B) In Avengers-#171, from a DISTANCE, Thor absorbed Ultron’s entire energy source with just a single blast from his hammer. C) Thor's hammer can, also, absorb other significant sources of energy including: Cosmic (Silver Surfer-#4), also, when Thor completely absorbed Sky-Walker’s Cosmic raging Tempest into his hammer-Thor-#305. Also, Radioactive energy (Avengers-#304), Magnetism (Thor#-387) where Thor absorbed a portion of the Planet of Pangoria’s Magnetic energy, and Magneto’s Personal Magnetic Field-JIM-#109; and Mystical- specifically, when he absorbed a significant mystical portion of EVERY Earth’s PANTHEON (Thor#301), and Pluto’s Deadly (mystical) Fire-Flame-#Thor-#223. In addition, Thor can absorb Magic from a DISTANCE-Avengers-#276. D) It’s important to, also, point out that Thor’s hammer can absorbed many of these particular sources of energy, and RETURN IT back to the originator; sometimes amplify many times over.
Note: It's really no wonder at all that Thor absorbed the Electromagnetic energies of the Celestial Mother-ship with such ease- see Thor#288.
4. The Mjolnir:
37) MJOLNIR'S STRENGTH: A) Thor's hammer is capable of shattering entire Mountains- Thor-#156, pulverizing small Planetoids (see Thor#400), could shake an entire planet (see Thor#388), or even destroy an entire World- Thor-#125. With just a hard tap (with the hammer) Thor completely broke Loki's arm. Thor simply holds back against his opponent because he doesn't want to take a life- see Thor#305. However, when he decides to end someone’s existence he could do it with just a single blow-See Thor’s-#374, where he killed the Super-Strong Mutant Block-Buster with just a blow from Mjolnir. To really analyze the full strength of Thor’s hammer- in Thor#388, Thor shook the planet Pangoria without even hitting the surface of the planet (the Celestial Exitar took the hit). What this mean is: that you can drop a dozen Hydrogen Bombs in one single place, or point, and that still wouldn't shake a whole planet. B) Also, the power within the hammer can, also, destroy an entire World- Fantastic Four-#339. In fact, the full power of the hammer can radiate with the energy of a THOUSAND SUNS…enough to even destroy an Entity such as Surtur. Thor stated AFFIRMATIVELY that this incomprehensible energy gathered by his hammer would have, indeed, destroyed Surtur… the eldest, and probably the most powerful Elemental in the Marvel Universe. Only the Twighlight Sword saved Surtur from destruction-Thor-#351.
This is how the fight will go.
Superman tries a speedblitz, he finds out Thor can move FTL as well, Superman tries to use heat vision, Thor absorbs it.
Superman tries to ice breath, Thor blocks it. Superman tries h2h, Thor is just too good at it and flips Superman.
Superman gets hit by countless hammer strikes and Thor blasts him 20 miles away, as soon as Superman is up, the Hammer is against his head at lightspeed.
Superman loses.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Thors hammer may be FTL light but he is not.
He swings Mjolnir twice the speed of light. That alone shows he can move his arms and attack at that speed. Nothing Superman can do that would be too fast for Thor to handle.
Run at lightspeed? No.
Punch and swing the hammer at LS? Yep.
I actually see Superman on the defense the entire fight. Because he would be deathly afraid of the hammer, which has been proven to hit harder -because- it's magic.
for the final time -- the fx of magic are overblown in this fight. people CONSISTANTLY disregard the high level magical beings superman has defeated. look back in the thread for loads of examples.
and for crissake THOR COULD NOT HIT SPIDERMAN!! THOR COULD NOT HIT THE FRIGGIN' MONGOOSE!!!!!! don't tell me the speed advantage isn't a HUGE thing. both mongoose (the friggin' MONGOOSE?!!) and spiderman were staggering thor -- mongoose actually FELLED thor -- i mean thor was scratching and clawing and fighting to stay conscious!!! he had his ass saved by hercules, and in both cases thor admitted that he couldn't keep up, and that the characters were too fast.
all these magic and speed arguments have been countered and re-countered. the scans for both these fights are posted on this thread if you feel i'm somehow exaggerating. thor DOES not throw his hammer ftl -- if he did once in the late 60's, bully for him. he hasn't done it again in 40 years. in that era he also stopped time, something he again has never done in the last 40 years. characters change and evolve and their powers solidify. thor is NOT as powerful as he was back then.
is this still a close fight? of course. i personally give a very slight edge to supes. if you think it's a rout one way or the other, you are either a fanboy of one, or an anti-fanboy of the other.
Originally posted by leonidas
for the final time -- the fx of magic are overblown in this fight. people CONSISTANTLY disregard the high level magical beings superman has defeated. look back in the thread for loads of examples.and for crissake THOR COULD NOT HIT SPIDERMAN!! THOR COULD NOT HIT THE FRIGGIN' MONGOOSE!!!!!! don't tell me the speed advantage isn't a HUGE thing. both mongoose (the friggin' MONGOOSE?!!) and spiderman were staggering thor -- mongoose actually FELLED thor -- i mean thor was scratching and clawing and fighting to stay conscious!!! he had his ass saved by hercules, and in both cases thor admitted that he couldn't keep up, and that the characters were too fast.
all these magic and speed arguments have been countered and re-countered. the scans for both these fights are posted on this thread if you feel i'm somehow exaggerating. thor DOES not throw his hammer ftl -- if he did once in the late 60's, bully for him. he hasn't done it again in 40 years. in that era he also stopped time, something he again has never done in the last 40 years. characters change and evolve and their powers solidify. thor is NOT as powerful as he was back then.
is this still a close fight? of course. i personally give a very slight edge to supes. if you think it's a rout one way or the other, you are either a fanboy of one, or an anti-fanboy of the other.
The god guys always win in the end.
and superman does well with magic?
I think lots of people here forget how powerful thor's hammer really is.
It doesn't matter wither Superman is weak, to it or not.
It will K.O superman either way ---------- having magic weakness would just help him.
Let’s see some people the hammer has nailed.
Hulk------- Shitty hammer attack has hurt the Hulk, and how much durable is Superman than Hulk? if any -------- Add magic not even close.
Gladiator ----------- Thor was able to connect hits (while i believe he lost) , the main point is how strong his hammer was.
Thor ------------ was breaking Mag shield.
etc etc.
The argument for Superman is pretty weak. His speed is going to save him?
i mean ya it's a big advange ............ But lets me realist Thor has won against much faster beings.
God Blast would be something like this. And yes Superman is weak to magic.
And Thor hammer has hurt people more durable than Superman.
