Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And that was a lie then just like it is a lie now.
It's a lie now because you say it is. It wasn't a lie then because I said it, very clearly. I was simply saying that the view of some people in this thread is justified because we've all encountered people who say they're buddhists but never act like buddists, or react like buddhists, and are really only buddhists when it comes to telling others they are or buying a scented candle.
You need to get a grip.
Originally posted by Devil King
It's a lie now because you say it is. It wasn't a lie then because I said it, very clearly. I was simply saying that the view of some people in this thread is justified because we've all encountered people who say they're buddhists but never act like buddists, or react like buddhists, and are really only buddhists when it comes to telling others they are or buying a scented candle.You need to get a grip.
I apologize if your intent was not to be sly and attacking.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yes you are. Go to Thailand, Vietnam, Bhutan, or any other country that has a large population of real Buddhists. Ask them if they think the universe is alive or if a god has anything to do with their lives. The answer will be no, because they don't add to their religion's founder's teachings. I'm thoroughly convinced that Buddhism in the US is just a fad, and people like you and SpearofDestiny show it. It's no different than those middle-aged white guys who call themselves Hare Krishnas and play drums on street corners on Saturday nights.
How arrogantly spiteful.
Everyone adds or picks and chooses. You do too, even if you don't realize it. You can't seem to understand that the label isn't what is important. Shakya, or a lot of devout people of any belief, believe what they believe and put it into practice. Period. Saying he's a Buddhist is practical and efficient because it's hard to quantify religious thoguht beyond simple labels, but to try to make an arbitrary distinction between "true" and "fake" adherents of any religion is to belittle peoples' ability to reason for themselves within and without religious paradigms.
Picking and choosing beliefs from various religions or sciences isn't a lesser form a religion. It's a greater form of independance and reason.
Originally posted by Devil King
In fact I said that actual buddhists should resent the faddist image presented by so many people that claim to be buddhists, because it makes it harder for them to be taken seriously by members of other religions.
I see your point now. I had been talking to someone else, on the forum, who was accusing me of being a fake Buddhist. That sent me into the world of Animality were I was being attacked. I didn't realize I was there until I reread all the posts we had made.
Animality is world that has a strong hold on me, because of my past. I am sorry if I wrongfully attacked you.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
How arrogantly spiteful.Everyone adds or picks and chooses. You do too, even if you don't realize it. You can't seem to understand that the label isn't what is important. Shakya, or a lot of devout people of any belief, believe what they believe and put it into practice. Period. Saying he's a Buddhist is practical and efficient because it's hard to quantify religious thoguht beyond simple labels, but to try to make an arbitrary distinction between "true" and "fake" adherents of any religion is to belittle peoples' ability to reason for themselves within and without religious paradigms.
Picking and choosing beliefs from various religions or sciences isn't a lesser form a religion. It's a greater form of independance and reason.
You kind of hit it for me, right there. I you said more of what I was trying to say in a better way.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I see your point now. I had been talking to someone else, on the forum, who was accusing me of being a fake Buddhist. That sent me into the world of Animality were I was being attacked. I didn't realize I was there until I reread all the posts we had made.Animality is world that has a strong hold on me, because of my past. I am sorry if I wrongfully attacked you.
Well played. You are a really nice guy.
On the whole, I admire Buddhists teachings and I personally feel that the world could do better if they applied some of the teachings. I know I am generalizing about Buddhism because their are many "sects", so please over look that for a general appreciation instead of ignorance.
Originally posted by Devil King
In the defense of the view of others, it's been my experience that in America most buddhists are following a fad. It's kind of like that song that says: "But isn't she pissed at all the other non-conformists; listening to that same obscure band!" Your typical American "buddhist" has read a few books; maybe went out and bought a buddha statue that he lights a scented candle in front of everyday; probably even sits on a mat a few of times a week and thinks about his life, and calls all that striving for enlightenment.If I was the dalai lama, I'd be shitting my pants over the Scream 4, independant film festival, starbucks, consumerism version of buddhism that's going on in America today.
And before a bunch of you jump on me, that was not directed at anyone in particular. It was just an observation based on experience. And if there are any real buddhists here, they should be angry over the poor representation of buddhism that is presented by these types of in-name-only buddhists.
Exactly. Just because Shaky or some other American read The Complete Idiot's Guide to Buddhism and sits cross-legged on a mat once or twice a week with their eyes closed while burning incense means nothing.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
How arrogantly spiteful.
But incredibly accurate.
You can't torque theistic teachings of a religion that you claim to be a member of. A Buddhist saying that the universe is alive is no different than a Muslim that believes in 2 gods. It's absurd because simply put; it means their not members of that religion.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You can't torque theistic teachings of a religion that you claim to be a member of. A Buddhist saying that the universe is alive is no different than a Muslim that believes in 2 gods. It's absurd because simply put; it means their not members of that religion.
That can't be true. All the time you have people who disagree with one, two, or a few of their professed religion's teachings. Isn't that part of being human? Questioning things? That is one of the reasons our species is so successful.
There are things that I don't agree with completely about Mormonism, but would you say that I am not truly a Mormon because I don't I am not a "Latter-Day-Saint?" I think this saying that I came up with waaaay back when is applicable now:
"I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, but I am not a latter day saint."
Do you need me to expound on that because I am not sure if I made my thoughts clear?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Exactly. Just because Shaky or some other American read The Complete Idiot's Guide to Buddhism and sits cross-legged on a mat once or twice a week with their eyes closed while burning incense means nothing.
But I would not count out "Americans" just because they're Americans. And I understand you aren't doing as much. I have my reservations due to the half-assed presentation of buddism on this forum. (As though it were the only time I've encountered it) Gestures mean nothing. And many people who present themselves as buddists should explain themselves, given that they are adherents to the practice. As much as some present themselves, there should be some measure of expectation of delivery.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Exactly. Just because Shaky or some other American read The Complete Idiot's Guide to Buddhism and sits cross-legged on a mat once or twice a week with their eyes closed while burning incense means nothing.But incredibly accurate.
You can't torque theistic teachings of a religion that you claim to be a member of. A Buddhist saying that the universe is alive is no different than a Muslim that believes in 2 gods. It's absurd because simply put; it means their not members of that religion.
If we apply that to any religion then there can't be different denominations everywhere. Dude, you don't follow every teaching of Jesus Christ and the Bible, yet we would still consider you part of the whole of Christianity. Shakya might not follow every aspect of Buddha's teachings but he doesn't need to necessarily to be called Buddhist.
Really, it is kinda like a Christian that doesn't believe in the "put your daughter down when she disobeys you" part of the Bible not being a Christian at all, but some Coffee House Jesusist....no, wait...they are called Christian, aren't they?
Do you think the earth was created in 6 days, is approximately 6000 years old, had a God kill a huge bunch of men by drowning them, letting them be swallowed by the earth or rain fire on them, had a whole tribe wandering through a desert for 60 years in search of Israel, leaving behind no traces whatsoever, had a huge all encompassing flood killing everyone except for the animals on one boat and one family (yes, one family, makes incest look much more acceptable, eh? ... of course again, leaving behind NO ****ING EVIDENCE whatsoever), etc.
Do you believe all that or do you pick and mix with what all your leaders said afterwards?
Not to forget that you are not a Christian then but a 2nd Level Revisited New Baptist of the Church of Old Apostles or whatever your specific cult calls itself?
mota you are being an idiot. please understand that christian/muslim/judaic ideals do not APPLY o buddhism. it is more a philosophy then a relegion. it is non theistic but does not restrict the practicing of other faiths. it doesnt make shay or any1 else a hypocrite as you are suggesting. simply because the christians/muslims/jews are dethly afraid of being called heretics and punished by a god if they so much as VERE from the oh so holy ultimate truths taught by their messiahs, doesnt mean the wrest of the world has to follow the same nonsense. buddhism infact isnt even entirely composed of things buddha said. buddha was one among many who reached enlightenment, and yet other, who are a step below, {bodhisvatas} do add to the teachings of buddhism. its like, existensialism or any other school of philosophy. there will always be more than one philosopher and even then, no1 says you cant yourself think of stuff in that school. this is specially true seeing as so many teachings of buddhism can be practically applied in such a flexible way. and hey, buddha never even said, that it is wrong per ce for sum1 to leave buddhism. its just a path. stop applying the negetevities taught by christianity to buddhism.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
But incredibly accurate.You can't torque theistic teachings of a religion that you claim to be a member of. A Buddhist saying that the universe is alive is no different than a Muslim that believes in 2 gods. It's absurd because simply put; it means their not members of that religion.
You missed my point. And also didn't even begin to address it. All you did was reassert your opinion. If you want a monologue, talk to a mirror.
Originally posted by Bardock42
If we apply that to any religion then there can't be different denominations everywhere. Dude, you don't follow every teaching of Jesus Christ and the Bible, yet we would still consider you part of the whole of Christianity. Shakya might not follow every aspect of Buddha's teachings but he doesn't need to necessarily to be called Buddhist.Really, it is kinda like a Christian that doesn't believe in the "put your daughter down when she disobeys you" part of the Bible not being a Christian at all, but some Coffee House Jesusist....no, wait...they are called Christian, aren't they?
Do you think the earth was created in 6 days, is approximately 6000 years old, had a God kill a huge bunch of men by drowning them, letting them be swallowed by the earth or rain fire on them, had a whole tribe wandering through a desert for 60 years in search of Israel, leaving behind no traces whatsoever, had a huge all encompassing flood killing everyone except for the animals on one boat and one family (yes, one family, makes incest look much more acceptable, eh? ... of course again, leaving behind NO ****ING EVIDENCE whatsoever), etc.
Do you believe all that or do you pick and mix with what all your leaders said afterwards?
Not to forget that you are not a Christian then but a 2nd Level Revisited New Baptist of the Church of Old Apostles or whatever your specific cult calls itself?
I don't believe the Earth was literally created in 6 days or that it's 6,000 years old. I also don't literally believe that Rottweilers and Himalayans are falling out of the sky when someone says "Its raining cats and dogs". Most people know a metaphor when they hear one.
Unlike Shaky, I don't tweak my religion's teaching about God and what God might be.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
mota you are being an idiot. please understand that christian/muslim/judaic ideals do not APPLY o buddhism. it is more a philosophy then a relegion. it is non theistic but does not restrict the practicing of other faiths. it doesnt make shay or any1 else a hypocrite as you are suggesting. simply because the christians/muslims/jews are dethly afraid of being called heretics and punished by a god if they so much as VERE from the oh so holy ultimate truths taught by their messiahs, doesnt mean the wrest of the world has to follow the same nonsense. buddhism infact isnt even entirely composed of things buddha said. buddha was one among many who reached enlightenment, and yet other, who are a step below, {bodhisvatas} do add to the teachings of buddhism. its like, existensialism or any other school of philosophy. there will always be more than one philosopher and even then, no1 says you cant yourself think of stuff in that school. this is specially true seeing as so many teachings of buddhism can be practically applied in such a flexible way. and hey, buddha never even said, that it is wrong per ce for sum1 to leave buddhism. its just a path. stop applying the negetevities taught by christianity to buddhism.
Like me and Devil King pointed out, he's a fad Buddhist.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
You missed my point. And also didn't even begin to address it. All you did was reassert your opinion. If you want a monologue, talk to a mirror.
I did address it.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would be bad luck, because he would most likely brake the mirror. 😂
Ijole guey. That's something a 12-year-old would say.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I don't believe the Earth was literally created in 6 days or that it's 6,000 years old. I also don't literally believe that Rottweilers and Himalayans are falling out of the sky when someone says "Its raining cats and dogs". Most people know a metaphor when they hear one.Unlike Shaky, I don't tweak my religion's teaching about God and what God might be.
Like me and Devil King pointed out, he's a fad Buddhist.
I did address it.
Ijole guey. That's something a 12-year-old would say.
Will you stop personally attacking me. I did report you.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I don't believe the Earth was literally created in 6 days or that it's 6,000 years old. I also don't literally believe that Rottweilers and Himalayans are falling out of the sky when someone says "Its raining cats and dogs". Most people know a metaphor when they hear one.
Haha, sure. Christmas Christians do like to pick and mix. I don't blame you, your "God" said some pretty absurd shit.