Originally posted by Devil King
God forbid he ever be wrongfully accused of a crime and left to defend himself in the face of a mob that just wants to sate their fake sense of moral outrage. Moral outrage, I might add, that is the result of the victim and not the crime.
Often not even the victim's actual feelings. Just a standard template of fury.
Originally posted by Heat_Vision
That's just rediculous.
Post-modernism in three words. Well done.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Kudos.But personally I believe that not just 13-14 year olds, but a large percentage of people in general are not suited to discuss the topic in an objective, level headed manner.
Indeed...
It requires cynical, childless adults to discuss the topic in order for it to be "objective", right? 😄
Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed...It requires cynical, childless adults to discuss the topic in order for it to be "objective", right? 😄
or someone that understands that the concept and philosophy of criminal justice is removed from the idea of retribution and exists solely to enforce the right to safety enjoyed by people in a free country...
Originally posted by dadudemonNo, not at all. I am sure naive parents of three children are just as suited if they don't give in to the "Oh my god he touched children, what if it were mine, lets rip of the bastards balls, feed them to him and then let him be raped by aids infected children, with a sevenesque knife rubber with holes in it to let the aids go through". If they can make level headed points, fine. If their point is "I don't like it ergo they should be killed" that's a little too...well...little, don't you think?
Indeed...It requires cynical, childless adults to discuss the topic in order for it to be "objective", right? 😄
Originally posted by inimalist
or someone that understands that the concept and philosophy of criminal justice is removed from the idea of retribution and exists solely to enforce the right to safety enjoyed by people in a free country...
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, not at all. I am sure naive parents of three children are just as suited if they don't give in to the "Oh my god he touched children, what if it were mine, lets rip of the bastards balls, feed them to him and then let him be raped by aids infected children, with a sevenesque knife rubber with holes in it to let the aids go through". If they can make level headed points, fine. If their point is "I don't like it ergo they should be killed" that's a little too...well...little, don't you think?
Dudes.......it was a joke. 😐 I thought that the smilie would give that a way. 😐
Originally posted by Bardock42
Fair enough. It still was a point that had to be addressed.
To me....it was quite obviously a joke. I have already argued the point that objective justice SHOULD be the goal. I also pointed out that those same irrational parents DO have a say so and it is unavoidable. That is one of the reasons we still have the death penalty.....its call a death "penalty" for a reason.
Originally posted by dadudemonYeah, to you obvious, but not to anyone. It's not a view that is uncommon, so it had to be countered. Personally, I didn't know whether the joke to you was about the ridiculousness of the view or whether you thought we were being arrogant or dismissive and that was the joke.
To me....it was quite obviously a joke. I have already argued the point that objective justice SHOULD be the goal. I also pointed out that those same irrational parents DO have a say so and it is unavoidable. That is one of the reasons we still have the death penalty.....its call a death "penalty" for a reason.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Somehow I don't feel that "Why do people think it's not only somehow heroic, but also natural to want to butcher people?" makes it any better.
It doesn't. But a generalization about the posters in favor of a virtual retaliation would almost assuredly fail. Chithappens made a very bold statement about the reaction to the scenario question I proposed.
Originally posted by dadudemonThe reaction to the scenario is pointless though as said before. Sure, I might go on a killing spree a la Punisher, but it doesn't give the objective part of the debate any more arguments. I am not sure exactly anymore what chithappens said to the actual debate, but it shouldn't matter what he said to your scenario as it is totally different.
It doesn't. But a generalization about the posters in favor of a virtual retaliation would almost assuredly fail. Chithappens made a very bold statement about the reaction to the scenario question I proposed.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Dudes.......it was a joke. 😐 I thought that the smilie would give that a way. 😐
honestly man, like Bardock said, you might have been joking, but (and I'll admit, I sort of jumped in half way through) many people do actually hold your position.
"you'll understand when you are a parent", to some people, is a valid argument.
Also, the feelings of an individual who "walked in" on someone raping their child are not at all equal to how criminal justice should be handed out. Also, justice is very specifically not democratic. We can both think of reasons why that would be overly negative, so regardless of how the parents feel, it is moot.
I'll be honest, I'd almost be willing to pardon someone who killed a rapist they caught in the act, but that is a totally different question than the judgement of a impartial body, specifically created to avoid emotional reactions to crimes.
(I apologize if I misinterpreted something)
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, to you obvious, but not to anyone. It's not a view that is uncommon, so it had to be countered. Personally, I didn't know whether the joke to you was about the ridiculousness of the view or whether you thought we were being arrogant or dismissive and that was the joke.
I don't know how else to describe the joke. It would be similar to you calling me a fatass because I eat so much..even though I am not fatass. You don't have to have children in order to be as objective as possible about this discussion. THAT is why it was obviously a joke, imo.