Louisiana child rapist on death row.

Originally posted by Heat_Vision
Well, Louisiana is desimated from Katrina and I would be willing to bet that the extreme measures being taken are mostly derived from not having very good law inforcement. Not that it was very good in particular before Katrina but post Katrina is still very much apocalyptic. Having grown up in Gretna, Louisiana and having seen it for myself after Katrina I feel safe in making that judgement for everyone to see it in all of it's glory.

Katrina (I said it one more time for infasis) blowup

Originally posted by Heat_Vision
Well, Louisiana is desimated from Katrina and I would be willing to bet that the extreme measures being taken are mostly derived from not having very good law inforcement. Not that it was very good in particular before Katrina but post Katrina is still very much apocalyptic. Having grown up in Gretna, Louisiana and having seen it for myself after Katrina I feel safe in making that judgement for everyone to see it in all of it's glory.

Katrina (I said it one more time for infasis)

The death penalty in LA is not a byproduct of Katrina.

Originally posted by inimalist
there is a difference between the ideas of people and the feelings of the parents

But they are not mutually exclusive. Aren't the vast majority of voters parents? I am not saying that all parents think like Imp. (Not that I think that you are utterly wrong your thinking, Imp.)

Originally posted by inimalist
Juries are not moral bodies, but factual bodies. Their ONLY purpose is to make decisions based on matters of fact.

Though I agree, that isn't always the case with a jury's decision.

I was talking about the "punishments" handed out, the laws in place regarding the justice system, and various other aspects of governing that influence the Justice System.

Originally posted by inimalist
Like, if all your argument is that people are flawed and any system of people will be flawed, ok, whatever, but philosophically, justice in a free country is about public safety, not about retribution from the state or the community. Both of those things are constitutionally illegal.

Yes. That is my point.

Also, the death penalty exists, so the system is not in line with your philosophical precepts.

Originally posted by inimalist
So, imho, were there an argument for the death penalty that wasn't just "they deserve it", or evidence that it is a help to individual safety, sure, there might be a place for it. But, since the only good that comes from the death penalty is the possibility that people might feel like justice is done (although there is a history of literature and drama specifically dedicated to how people don't feel better after revenge), that potential does not supersede any person's right to life, including criminals (who are still given basic rights [or, technically should be]).

Essentially the argument is about when the government has the right to take away constitutional rights from people in society. The only time they do is when it can be shown to be in the best interest of society at large. This isn't my opinion, as my opinion is that the government NEVER has such rights, but rather the reason why much of the legal system exists as it does (please excuse how much of this comes from the Canadian legal tradition vs the Americans, I don't know what relevant issues from either might be at odds with what I am saying).

Okay.

Originally posted by inimalist
totally

actually, Bill Maher falls into that line of reasoning sometimes, and it is really ignorant...

I would venture that is not what Bill Maher thinks. I would say he and I are of the same opinion; that the motivation for a penalty to be more harsh based on the age over the crime isn't logical either. In a way, it's saying "hey, why doesn't the rapist get 60 years for raping a 40 year old chick if the same guy can get 60 years for raping a 12 year old?"

Originally posted by Robtard
The death penalty in LA is not a byproduct of Katrina.

You're right but I would be carefull of where you choose to take a stroll if you are a tourist and it's after night fall. You might run into some trouble and nobody will be there to help you. All I'm sayin. death

Originally posted by Heat_Vision
You're right but I would be carefull of where you choose to take a stroll if you are a tourist and it's after night fall. You might run into some trouble and nobody will be there to help you. All I'm sayin. death

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nobody but the Death Penalty, you mean.

I'm talking about murder. Louisiana; if not right now, has been the murder capital of the country before I believe. For example; when I was a kid I remember digging up a semi automatic pistol in the park behind my house.

Originally posted by Heat_Vision
I'm talking about murder. Louisiana; if not right now, has been the murder capital of the country before I believe. For example; when I was a kid I remember digging up a semi automatic pistol in the park behind my house.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I was making a joke about the topic not relating to your latest post.

Oh, I just reread it. Sorry for miscommunication.

Originally posted by Heat_Vision
Oh, sorry. Your post confused meh.

'tis okay. I seem to do that sometime.

Originally posted by Heat_Vision
but I would be carefull of where you choose to take a stroll if you are a tourist and it's after night fall. death

Do children live in the unpleasant areas?

I live in Texas now but more than likely some do. It's like a third world country but with better infrastructure. Think of a nuclear bomb going off over a large city and that's pretty much it. Actually a biological bomb would be a better comparison but I think you get the desperation in the picture I'm trying to paint.

Originally posted by Heat_Vision
I live in Texas now but more than likely some do. It's like a third world country but with better infrastructure. Think of a nuclear bomb going off over a large city and that's pretty much it. Actually a biological bomb would be a better comparison but I think you get the desperation in the picture I'm trying to paint.

Desperate like a teenage Christian couple who are rushing into marriage just so they can release their pent-up sexual energy, that Desperate?

OR maybe the price of a cup of rice just went up 12 cents and now my family can't eat? That kind of desperate?

Originally posted by Heat_Vision
I live in Texas now but more than likely some do. It's like a third world country but with better infrastructure. Think of a nuclear bomb going off over a large city and that's pretty much it. Actually a biological bomb would be a better comparison but I think you get the desperation in the picture I'm trying to paint.

yet here you are, posting on the internet.

He's in Texas now, which is the marvel of America. Louisiana is apparenly equal to Somalia and Rwanda.

Originally posted by Robtard
He's in Texas now, which is the marvel of America. Louisiana is apparenly equal to Somalia and Rwanda.

Oh right, yeah, forgot to check where he was actually from.

Heat_Vision, please do explain exactly how it's like a third world country, I'm rather interested.

If you can't understand the gravity of the situation than I'm not going to explain it to you. Here's a few links and pix for those of you that don't know how to use Google.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/08/29/roesgen.nola.homeless.cnn

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/katrina/

This is where I was born and raised. I just can't explain to you the shear magnitude of the devestation.

Right, yes, I still think that the Mozambique floods were worse.