It doesn't matter a bit if the death penalty is nothing more than revenge. The fact is it gets rid of scumbags that have murdered, raped, and hurt other people. Their punishment for their crimes is DEATH. Simple as that.
And even it is only revenge, so the **** what?
There is nothing wrong with revenge.
A system without the death penalty just coddles criminals, and creates a system where criminals know no fear.
Originally posted by BackFireAlso, this talk is about justice, which exists in order to keep these kinds of subjective feelings OUT of the decision. Justice must be cold and calculated, it can't start taking into account the emotions involved, its purpose is to be fair and logical. Speaking of something as subjective as what YOU would do if your child was being raped is irrelevant. [/B]
Justice needs a revision then.
A more revenge-ish approach. It needs more of an eye for eye approach.
So, this guy could get the death penalty for raping X number of KIDS but not if it had been X number of adult women?
I have said it before, I don't comprehend why one victim is afforded a greater measure of revenge under the law than another. If justice is to be blind, which is a major missing factor in this discussion that seems to have been ignored by the question of "what if you walked in and found someone doing it?". There is a reason that the legal system and it's judgments are handed down by people not directly involved in a given case.
If a man walked into his home and found a stranger raping his son, and killed him for it, the father is now guity of a crime of passion. And while there is certainly a jury out there that might sympathize with the father, he is no less guilty simply because they could put themselves in his shoes.
The inncocence of the victim is important, more important than the victims age. But for some reason in this country, we light out torches and pass out the pitch forks if the victim is under 20 or over 70.
Originally posted by Devil King
So, this guy could get the death penalty for raping X number of [b]KIDS but not if it had been X number of adult women?I have said it before, I don't comprehend why one victim is afforded a greater measure of revenge under the law than another. If justice is to be blind, which is a major missing factor in this discussion that seems to have been ignored by the question of "what if you walked in and found someone doing it?". There is a reason that the legal system and it's judgments are handed down by people not directly involved in a given case.
If a man walked into his home and found a stranger raping his son, and killed him for it, the father is now guity of a crime of passion. And while there is certainly a jury out there that might sympathize with the father, he is no less guilty simply because they could put themselves in his shoes.
The inncocence of the victim is important, more important than the victims age. But for some reason in this country, we light out torches and pass out the pitch forks if the victim is under 20 or over 70. [/B]
A person who kills a rapist in the act should be awarded a medal, not put in jail.
And people get upset when the victims are under 20 and over 70 because usually the victims in those age brackets are unable to defend themselves effectively. They are helpless.
"Let me count the ways"
List them, please, freak.
Originally posted by Kelmech_Ra
List them, please, freak.
Those are just the ones that I feel comfortable posting. If you'd like me to PM you some more, I'll gladly oblige.
Originally posted by Devil King
So, this guy could get the death penalty for raping X number of [b]KIDS but not if it had been X number of adult women?I have said it before, I don't comprehend why one victim is afforded a greater measure of revenge under the law than another. If justice is to be blind, which is a major missing factor in this discussion that seems to have been ignored by the question of "what if you walked in and found someone doing it?". There is a reason that the legal system and it's judgments are handed down by people not directly involved in a given case.
If a man walked into his home and found a stranger raping his son, and killed him for it, the father is now guity of a crime of passion. And while there is certainly a jury out there that might sympathize with the father, he is no less guilty simply because they could put themselves in his shoes.
The inncocence of the victim is important, more important than the victims age. But for some reason in this country, we light out torches and pass out the pitch forks if the victim is under 20 or over 70. [/B]
The issue with children, children are more vulnerable, less able to defend themselves and more susceptible into being duped. Which is what makes the crime against a child more deplorable.
The father shouldn't be guilty of murder, if the "death" in question is done to protect another, i.e. an innocent victim. Murder = unlawful killing. IF you kill someone who is trying to gravely harm or kill you, should you be held as a murderer?
I guess the same goes for the elderly, as they are also easier victims. For some reason in this country, it often seems like the victim of a crime has less rights than the perpetrator of said crime, odd.
Edit: I should add that I also don't agree that a child rapist should get capital punishment, even as horrible as that is, it isn't the same as murder.
Originally posted by Robtard
The issue with children, children are more vulnerable, less able to defend themselves and more susceptible into being duped. Which is what makes the crime against a child more deplorable.The father shouldn't be guilty of murder, if the "death" in question is done to protect another, i.e. an innocent victim. Murder = unlawful killing. IF you kill someone who is trying to gravely harm or kill you, should you be held as a murderer?
I guess the same goes for the elderly, as they are also easier victims. For some reason in this country, it always seem like the victim of a crime has less rights than the perpetrator of said crime, odd.
I'm not sure a 9 year old is any more or less vulnerable than a 34 year old woman with a gun pressed against her head. But, I understand what you're getting at. I simply don't agree with it.
And if the father waks in to the house 3 minutes after the rape has ended and the child is on the floor crying while the rapist is zipping up his pants?
No, this isn't a matter of the criminal having more rights than the victim, it's about equal rights and retribution for everyone. I understand the inclination to afford less rights to the criminal becuase his crime was committed against a child, I just don't agree with it. Look at it this way, when we read about a 9 year old getting raped, we call for the death penalty; when we hear about a 45 year old woman geting raped while she was jogging in the park at 9 pm, we turn to the comics to see what Garfeild is up to today.
Originally posted by Kelmech_Ra
A person who kills a rapist in the act should be awarded a medal, not put in jail.And people get upset when the victims are under 20 and over 70 because usually the victims in those age brackets are unable to defend themselves effectively. They are helpless.
I appreciate your intention to answer a rhetorical question. Thank you for illustrating why you probaly shouldn't have any say in criminal affairs or the dispensation of justice.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
1. Children scream hard when you get it inside them.
2. They scream harder when you start thrusting.
3. Wiping my bloody dick on the kid's teddybear makes me feel like a man.Those are just the ones that I feel comfortable posting. If you'd like me to PM you some more, I'll gladly oblige.
Those aren't funny. And you know it.
The dead baby jokes were funny in what, 8th-9th grade? (i'm assuming thats why you find child rape funny)
Grow out of it.
Originally posted by Devil King
I appreciate your intention to answer a rhetorical question. Thank you for illustrating why you probaly shouldn't have any say in criminal affairs or the dispensation of justice.
Oh I don't plan on it being part of the justice system, but I sure as hell know I would kill a rapist if I caught them in the act of raping a family member.