Colossus vs. Ironclad

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well Ultimate characters are different. This fight is 616 Ironclad.

I thought Ironclad was in the 95 ton range as he was supposed to be superior to the Thing? Ironclad can also increase his density if I am correct which could give Peter a little trouble, it is also questionable on which one of the two has better durability, but Colossus is clearly faster and a better fighter, so I'd give him a big lead.

Colossus 8/10

Ironclad is class 60 according to handbooks. He has one good showing against Hulk and the rest are not so good.

Originally posted by Stoic
I thought Ironclad was in the 95 ton range as he was supposed to be superior to the Thing? Ironclad can also increase his density if I am correct which could give Peter a little trouble, it is also questionable on which one of the two has better durability, but Colossus is clearly faster and a better fighter, so I'd give him a big lead.

Colossus 8/10

Where was it stated IC was superior to Thing???I reckon either Ben or Pete would beat IC for the majority

Originally posted by vansonbee
I seen him leeching strength from Spiderman and lots of civilian in a comic. It's in the Ultimate comic for U-foes. He must have some sort of tiny device on them.

You might be thinking of the Controller, that all happened during the "Break Out" mini when the U-Foes escaped from the Raft after Electro shut it down.

Originally posted by Scoobless
You might be thinking of the Controller, that all happened during the "Break Out" mini when the U-Foes escaped from the Raft after Electro shut it down.

Plus IronClad wears a skirt.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Are you saying Ironclad can amp his strength?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I thought he amped his strength when he increases his density?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Nope, that's Vision. Ironclad has never been stated to do that.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Isn't it a pretty standard aspect of the power itself though? I always considered it to be similar to Growing like that(feel free to disagree though).

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If that was a aspect of his power it would have been clarified at some point imo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well I just skimmed his bio and all it mentioned was the ability to increase weight to resist attacks so you're apparently right. I always just figured that everybody who increased their density increased their strength too because for the majority of characters who use the technique the two seem to go hand in hand.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blob has a similar ability also but he don't gain strength either. Some do and some don't I guess.

Mr. Rasputin.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Blob alters gravity, that's different than altering density. To date Iron Clad the only character I can think of that increases density without increasing strength, every other character I can think of with the ability gains the strength addition. But it might just be an oddity in the way his particular powers work, the way Hank Pym's strength increases with growth but not his durability(which is different than most characters who grow).

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusvsBlob2.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blob can alter his density also.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusvsBlob2.jpg

That was more than likely a mistake, because all he really does is stand still, and make about a 5 foot radius around himself where you'd have to uproot the ground to actually move him, unless you were Colossus or Juggs who actually had the strength to move him despite the field.

Colossus.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hmmm... has that ever been mentioned anywhere else? If not, it seems more like a writer's error because I've never heard of him having the ability before on-panel or in bio's, everything else I've seen just list him as being to alter his gravitational field.