Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Four times in 40 years
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
With prep time. With out prep time he has trouble with Batman, has had Nightwing work him over twice, has lost to Eddie Fryers, been on the losing end of Bronze Tiger, been stalemated by Deadshot twice, and lost to Green Arrow. Deathstroke with prep and Deathstroke without prep are two entirely different animals.
....but seriously though this fight has been done before a couple times I believe.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Has it ever been depicted differently though? I can understand writing it off because of basic human anatomy if there's conflicting evidence, but if that's the way it's been portrayed every time it's came up and it's came up for times already, then it seems reasonable to assume that it's the way it would be portrayed if it came up in this particular fight.
I'm not sure. Its easier to remember four examples of Wolverine getting shot in the brain when they don't make sense and three of them have happened in the last year, then it is to remember every example of him getting shot in the head.
And two of four of the examples can be written off instantly. The crossbow bolt through the ear and Deadpool shooting him under the jaw, since there aren't even openings there. The Mystique one is possible (though unlikely) so I can give her the benefit of the doubt and say she got lucky with perfect trajectory. So the only problem is the Scalphunter one. I don't know... you be the judge. If Wolverine is missing many parts of his skull... how do Mystique, Deadpool, and Scalphunter know about? Why has no one mentioned it? Why has it never been shown any of the times Wolverine's skull has been shown? If if Wolverine was given an Achilles heel, it stands to reason, that it would be mentioned with in the confines of the story somewhere.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not sure. Its easier to remember four examples of Wolverine getting shot in the brain when they don't make sense and three of them have happened in the last year, then it is to remember every example of him getting shot in the head.And two of four of the examples can be written off instantly. The crossbow bolt through the ear and Deadpool shooting him under the jaw, since there aren't even openings there. The Mystique one is possible (though unlikely) so I can give her the benefit of the doubt and say she got lucky with perfect trajectory. So the only problem is the Scalphunter one. I don't know... you be the judge. If Wolverine is missing many parts of his skull... how do Mystique, Deadpool, and Scalphunter know about? Why has no one mentioned it? Why has it never been shown any of the times Wolverine's skull has been shown? If if Wolverine was given an Achilles heel, it stands to reason, that it would be mentioned with in the confines of the story somewhere.
In both cases, there's on panel evidence that directly contradicts what should be obvious if we take our evidence from "basic human anatomy". Accepting one and dismissing the other seems to promote a double standard as well as the whole "I don't like it, it didn't happen" tactic. At least that's my take on it, feel free to disagree.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Without any contradicting evidence besides "real world logic", I'd have to consider it valid. Doing otherwise seems akin to claiming that someone like Spiderman should be able to rip classic Wolverine in half due to the tendons between his bones not being laced with Adamantium.In both cases, there's on panel evidence that directly contradicts what should be obvious if we take our evidence from "basic human anatomy". Accepting one and dismissing the other seems to promote a double standard as well as the whole "I don't like it, it didn't happen" tactic. At least that's my take on it, feel free to disagree.
Except Wolverine has said "You can't rip my limbs off" which he attributed to his adamantium skeleton. On the other hand no one has ever said Wolverine is missing parts of his skull and its pretty significant for it not to be mentioned. He would need to be missing enough of his skull on both sides of his head, behind both of his eyes, and the bottom part of skull. Thats a lot of missing pieces. They made a point of mentioning that Ultimate Wolverine has a single bone in his body that isn't laced in adamantium... but Marvel didn't feel the need to mention Wolverine is missing 35% of his skull?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Except Wolverine has said "You can't rip my limbs off" which he attributed to his adamantium skeleton. On the other hand no one has ever said Wolverine is missing parts of his skull and its pretty significant for it not to be mentioned. He would need to be missing enough of his skull on both sides of his head, behind both of his eyes, and the bottom part of skull. Thats a lot of missing pieces. They made a point of mentioning that Ultimate Wolverine has a single bone in his body that isn't laced in adamantium... but Marvel didn't feel the need to mention Wolverine is missing 35% of his skull?
By the same token, I've never understood why Wolverine's teeth didn't get laced in adamantium, how there's not visible bulges in his forearms when his claws are retracted, or how he can move at all now that his tendons and such are also laced with adamantium, but I've nothing on panel to suggest that it's out of the ordinary so I'm forced to put logic in the back seat in favor of what's actually been depicted.
Originally posted by [EC] Icarus IIWTF is his sword gonna do to Wolverine? If your into electric staff up the butt torture be my guess.
Doesn't posses the tools?! Does anyone remember DS's promethium sword and power staff? And why wouldn't his 90% brain usage work when fighting Wolverine? Will Wolverine's super-duper telepathic abilities prevent it?? 😕
Of course Slade using 90% of his brain in battle is what make Deathstroke unique, but against Wolverine? In the long run Slade gonna get put down. pft 😂
I seems to me that saying Wolverine is missing sections of his skull, holds about as much water as me saying that Franklin Richards has some rare degenerative age disorder because he is still appears to be eight years old, even though he was five or six when Wolverine's foster daughter was a baby... and she is now around eighteen. Its nothing more than a mistake made by the writers / editors. Its not credible and it certainly isn't the foundation for a logical debate...
Deathstroke is a 3rd tier hand to hand combatant (2nd at best), which is the reason that despite having vastly superhuman states streets still manage to give him trouble in melee combat. Winter Green in his prime was supposed to be a better fighter than Deathstroke, and so was his ex-wife... and neither of them are top tier. Even comparing Slade to Punisher in skill is overly generous. The dude got beat down by three of Joker's thugs and tossed in the river and has also been beaten down by a bunch of drunken middle aged bar patrons, now admittedly he wasn't 100% for either of those... but seriously, its pretty telling.
So exactly how does Logan win agaisnt someone of superior h2h ability and equal stats... and heals about a million times faster?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Deathstroke is a 3rd tier hand to hand combatant (2nd at best), which is the reason that despite having vastly superhuman states streets still manage to give him trouble in melee combat. Winter Green in his prime was supposed to be a better fighter than Deathstroke, and so was his ex-wife... and neither of them are top tier. Even comparing Slade to Punisher in skill is overly generous. The dude got beat down by three of Joker's thugs and tossed in the river and has also been beaten down by a bunch of drunken middle aged bar patrons, now admittedly he wasn't 100% for either of those... but seriously, its pretty telling.So exactly how does Logan win agaisnt someone of superior h2h ability and equal stats... and heals about a million times faster?
I know Wolverine is skilled fighter, but doesn't display as much and rather goes berserker on his opponents now days. (It sells comics)
I'm just supporting Wolverine because of his superior durability, sharp claws, and first class healing factor.
Wolverine hasn't display any fighting skills lately, but mostly berserk mode. Still I put Logan on top. 8/10
possible KO by DS 2/10.
I don't know about that. Wolverine shows his skill all the time... he just doesn't stand around in flashy fung-fu posses. He is all offense, and when he gets into the thick of it people die. He fights fodder in the hundreds and pretty much downs everyone in a single blow... and that's impressive. Now I'll admit there is a bit of a discrepancy when he fights with other heroes... but generally speak there are extenuating circumstances that prevent them from going full out, and in Wolverine's style of fighting doesn't exactly lend itself to holding back, its only purpose is to end lifes quickly and painlessly, it doesn't have any sport eliments like the fighting styles of Daredevil or Iron Fist or Captain America. Even then Wolverine has beat Shang-Chi in three panels, gotten Daredevil in a fullnelson after he was blind sided in three panels as well... and those two feats on their own are significantly more impressive than any h2h feats Slade has.
And the last time Wolverine fought Shigen he showed a clear advatage in skill (where before Shigen was clear Logan's superior) which would imply Wolverine is a better fighter now than he was when the two above mentioned feats to place... and he was part of his soul during his last bout with Shigen... so in theory he is even BETTER than he appeared to be in that fight anyway.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
None. Dude doesn't even know the concept of MA.
He goes slashing around like no tomorrow, knowing that he has uber regen
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't know about that. Wolverine shows his skill all the time... he just doesn't stand around in flashy fung-fu posses. He is all offense, and when he gets into the thick of it people die. He fights fodder in the hundreds and pretty much downs everyone in a single blow... and that's impressive. Now I'll admit there is a bit of a discrepancy when he fights with other heroes... but generally speak there are extenuating circumstances that prevent them from going full out, and in Wolverine's style of fighting doesn't exactly lend itself to holding back, its only purpose is to end lifes quickly and painlessly, it doesn't have any sport eliments like the fighting styles of Daredevil or Iron Fist or Captain America. Even then Wolverine has beat Shang-Chi in three panels, gotten Daredevil in a fullnelson after he was blind sided in three panels as well... and those two feats on their own are significantly more impressive than any h2h feats Slade has.And the last time Wolverine fought Shigen he showed a clear advatage in skill (where before Shigen was clear Logan's superior) which would imply Wolverine is a better fighter now than he was when the two above mentioned feats to place... and he was part of his soul during his last bout with Shigen... so in theory he is even BETTER than he appeared to be in that fight anyway.