Originally posted by nimbus006True, Thanos is above any ONE herald, but could he face five or six and win? Furthermore, Odin will not be putting heralds down simply because he and Tyrant will need to focus all their attention on Galactus considering his recent feeding, that is.
Agreed, cloud. DP Tyrant >>>> a combination of herald-level characters that would give Thanos a hard time, at the absolute least.
Thanos is really the non-factor here.
I can't remember the number of shields Thanos activated against Odin, it may not have been stated and I don't have the rest of the scans on this machine:
Here Thanos activates all his shields
and gets ravaged by an irate galactus, who fires a slightly more powerful blast than the usual nonchalant one he's accustomed to using ("never before have I had to so exert myself in order to pierce a mere force field"😉
Can't remember the last time a blast left Thanos looking that bad, and still kneeling as he talks.
Here Thanos admits his power is "Lilliputian" compared to Galactus' might.
All the scans that feature Galactus are starlin-written comics.
Originally posted by nimbus006Tyrant matches up well against Galactus and I have one on panel fight that says I am correct.
Quan, it's understandable that you have preferences for certain characters, but your bias is truly evident in almost all your arguments. You consistently compare feats that are completely out of context, and present conclusions which are usually incorrect.In one thread, you claim Galactus would destroy the Anti-monitor, and in another you have Tyrant taking him on all by himself. You seem to totally disregard the fact that he has just fed on earth, a considerably important fact under the circumstances.
True, Thanos is above any ONE herald, but could he face five or six and win? Furthermore, Odin will not be putting heralds down simply because he and Tyrant will need to focus all their attention on Galactus considering his recent feeding, that is.
Odin and Thanos deal with the heralds while Tyrant engages Galactus. As I pointed out Odin can oneshot many of them. They fall quickly and Thanos' durability has him just beating on these heralds.
Am was powered up in the coie story and that Am I am not comparing agaisnt Galactus. I see Tyrant as the Silver Surfer to Superman. Tyrant is built to beat Galactus. He is a master of tech and G's blasts actually power him up.
Originally posted by BentleyAnd from their second battle we can surmise Tyrant learned from his mistake.
I was just proving he cannot lose this battle. Also, Galactus can oneshot Watchers while weak and destroy galaxies on a whim. Odin and Thanos are not factor and we already know how it goes between Galan and Tyrant.(As a matter of fact, you may know that DP Tyrant stands for "Depowered Tyrant", guess who beat him when "powered"😉
Guess who was winning the fight when Tyrant was depowered.
Originally posted by OualladaI see it differently and think that Tyrant was a much wiser battle ready opponent the second time around.
Circumstances. One-sided prep for millenia helps, as I am sure you will understand, being a fan of Thanos and all. G already beat Tyrant at full power, and replicating the same circumstances, which is the case in this fight, would take DP Tyrant, and easier than before.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I see it differently and think that Tyrant was a much wiser battle ready opponent the second time around.
Which is exactly my point, because you would expect Tyrant to be much wiser, with several millenia of prep after all. Doom did G with a lot less prep than that, just to put things into perspective.
Originally posted by llagrok
Could be the art, but it doesn't look like Odin's blast makes contact.
I think it's just the art in this case. SS and Thanos' blasts didn't really look like they connected fully either.
On Thanos' shields, does anyone know if he has employed singular shields at any time, and how many layers he has? I remember it as three, but may be wrong.
Originally posted by OualladaDoom didnt do it with Galactus expecting to battle him but with a cheap shot plus Mr Master will tell you it wasnt the 616 Doom. Tyrant did what he did with his own power just countering Galactus' attacks.
Which is exactly my point, because you would expect Tyrant to be much wiser, with several millenia of prep after all. Doom did G with a lot less prep than that, just to put things into perspective.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Doom didnt do it with Galactus expecting to battle him but with a cheap shot plus Mr Master will tell you it wasnt the 616 Doom. Tyrant did what he did with his own power just countering Galactus' attacks.
It wasn't meant to be an exact parallel. Simply an example to put things into perspective. A lot of high-end feats, for example Reed's reconstruction of the UN, were achieved with less prep. Taking away Tyrant's prep time in this battle, surely you would agree that his performance would logically drop?
Originally posted by OualladaTo take away his prep time would be to alter his history. His motivation and his revenge against Galactus was being planned for since he lost way back when. His ultimate goal is to defeat Galactus which I believe he can do. But I see your point.
It wasn't meant to be an exact parallel. Simply an example to put things into perspective. A lot of high-end feats, for example Reed's reconstruction of the UN, were achieved with less prep. Taking away Tyrant's prep time in this battle, surely you would agree that his performance would logically drop?
Originally posted by quanchi112
And from their second battle we can surmise Tyrant learned from his mistake.Guess who was winning the fight when Tyrant was depowered.
On the other side of the coin, you couldn't really say that G would employ the same techniques against Tyrant. You only have Tyrant adapting and learning...you have to assume the same for G.
G repossessed much of the power he imbued in Tyrant after their first battle (which is the direct cause of the Full-power Tyrant and De-powered Tyrant disambiguation)...I attribute it to extreme PIS that he didn't do the same thing their second battle.
Basically, Galactus > Full-Powered Tyrant, on panel. Galactus < De-Powered Tryant, on panel.
Aside from the incredibly logic-defying reality of those statements....you have to assume Tryant isn't the only one getting wise. Galactus made him from scratch, after all.
Originally posted by TenebrousYes but if your existence was to revenge an earlier defeat and you had years and years to think about it wouldnt you improve the next time you met. Galactus is very arrogant and often times underestimates threats. The hunger rings a bell. Thanos had to end this threat for Galactus as he was overconfident.
On the other side of the coin, you couldn't really say that G would employ the same techniques against Tyrant. You only have Tyrant adapting and learning...you have to assume the same for G.G repossessed much of the power he imbued in Tyrant after their first battle (which is the direct cause of the Full-power Tyrant and De-powered Tyrant disambiguation)...I attribute it to extreme PIS that he didn't do the same thing their second battle.
Basically, Galactus > Full-Powered Tyrant, on panel. Galactus < De-Powered Tryant, on panel.
Aside from the incredibly logic-defying reality of those statements....you have to assume Tryant isn't the only one getting wise. Galactus made him from scratch, after all.
Originally posted by OualladaOn Thanos' shields, does anyone know if he has employed singular shields at any time, and how many layers he has? I remember it as three, but may be wrong.
he activated three shields against Omega (thanos/galactus clone/hybrid). I would have to believe "all defensive shields" is greater than 3 shields....as Starlin wrote Infinity Abyss, where the three shield panel comes from, in 2003. A year later the thanos series came out, also by Starlin. If three shields=all defensive shields, i would think starlin would simply write the same thing.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes but if your existence was to revenge an earlier defeat and you had years and years to think about it wouldnt you improve the next time you met. Galactus is very arrogant and often times underestimates threats. The hunger rings a bell. Thanos had to end this threat for Galactus as he was overconfident.
Yes of course you would improve...but then the other party improves to return to the original status quo. In other words....Galactus stripped Tyrant of his power, Tyrant had millennia to fester his wrath, and beat G in his de-powered state. If and when there is a third time they meet in comics, G would do his best to return things to their original status quo, meaning ensuring Tryant stays inferior to him. Case in point...Tenebrous and Aegis had billions of years to brood and plot vengeance against big G after their initial defeat at his hands....when they met the second time, they defeated G, like Tyrant defeated G the second time.
The third time...G was prepped and ready to engage both of them by himself and sought to kill them both...prolly as close to blood-lusted Galactus we've seen so far. SS did the job for him, but the point is that galactus was preparing for the third engagement against Tenebrous and Aegis by planning to kill them...which would return the status quo from the original encounter (he imprisonned them for billions of years, effectively killing them in terms of their impact on the universe during that time, and imprisonment in the kyln once more was no longer possible, so the only solution would be to kill them).
tryant adapted the second time....g doesn't let defeats by other beings who have vendettas against him, and who threaten his existence, go unpunished.
Hunger, G was caught completely off-guard and un-prepped, unlike Thanos.
Originally posted by TenebrousHeres one huge difference I see with your argument. Aegis and Tenebrous caught him by surprise. And it was two on one not one on one. Two powerful beings vs one are always going to have an advantage. Galactus knew Tyrant was going to battle him and thus prepared himself. If Tyrant had surprised him it would have been different.
Yes of course you would improve...but then the other party improves to return to the original status quo. In other words....Galactus stripped Tyrant of his power, Tyrant had millennia to fester his wrath, and beat G in his de-powered state. If and when there is a third time they meet in comics, G would do his best to return things to their original status quo, meaning ensuring Tryant stays inferior to him. Case in point...Tenebrous and Aegis had billions of years to brood and plot vengeance against big G after their initial defeat at his hands....when they met the second time, they defeated G, like Tyrant defeated G the second time.The third time...G was prepped and ready to engage both of them by himself and sought to kill them both...prolly as close to blood-lusted Galactus we've seen so far. SS did the job for him, but the point is that galactus was preparing for the third engagement against Tenebrous and Aegis by planning to kill them...which would return the status quo from the original encounter (he imprisonned them for billions of years, effectively killing them in terms of their impact on the universe during that time, and imprisonment in the kyln once more was no longer possible, so the only solution would be to kill them).
tryant adapted the second time....g doesn't let defeats by other beings who have vendettas against him, and who threaten his existence, go unpunished.
Hunger, G was caught completely off-guard and un-prepped, unlike Thanos.
We have two encounters with Tyrant and Galactus since his depowering. One in which he punked Galactus and took his herald and the other in which Tyrant countered his every move and caused him to bleed. Just because he was depowered doesnt mean he doesnt have the power to defeat Galactus.
