Originally posted by Starscream M
tigra can turn invisible...that'd make it pretty damn hard for logan to deal with, even with his senses
I am a huge thunder cat fan I know what I am talking about.
Originally posted by BattlehammerLeo's fought blinded before. That's why I said depending on the turtle he faces his Invisibity won't be that big of a hassle. Panthero's strength isn't that big of an issue either. They've fought beings with super strength before and won. They've also fought mystical creatures, and robots and won. Not to mention they aren't exactly weak or slow themselves.
.........Tigra not only can turn invisable which would be a massive advantage, but he can phases using his whip, it can causes explosions on impact and he simply physically superior.Panthero is phyiscally superior and a big strength advantage. not to mention the amount of gadgets he has.
Originally posted by Kento
Leo's fought blinded before. That's why I said depending on the turtle he faces his Invisibity won't be that big of a hassle. Panthero's strength isn't that big of an issue either. They've fought beings with super strength before and won. They've also fought mystical creatures, and robots and won. Not to mention they aren't exactly weak or slow themselves.
yes, but he still hindred by it and the foes he faces were not tigra level.
yes his strength is an issue. The turtles are inferior phyiscally, they have inferior weapons, they hold no advantages is this fight and are at a disadvantage in most every area.
Originally posted by BattlehammerWasn't his foe the top fighter in the Foot Clan?
yes, but he still hindred by it and the foes he faces were not tigra level.yes his strength is an issue. The turtles are inferior phyiscally, they have inferior weapons, they hold no advantages is this fight and are at a disadvantage in most every area.
And yea they face foes with superior strength plenty of times. Panthero isn't going to be anything new to them. Weapons yea sure they are inferior but superior weaponry doesn't automatically win the fight though in this case it does with Sword of Omens. Yea I know the Turtles aren't going to be winning but Panthero and possibly Tygra aren't going to be the reasons they loose.
Originally posted by Kento
Wasn't his foe the top fighter in the Foot Clan?
Originally posted by Kento
And yea they face foes with superior strength plenty of times. Panthero isn't going to be anything new to them. Weapons yea sure they are inferior but superior weaponry doesn't automatically win the fight though in this case it does with Sword of Omens. Yea I know the Turtles aren't going to be winning but Panthero and possibly Tygra aren't going to be the reasons they loose.
Umm none of the turtles could take panthero or tigra the majority.
They loses at least 8/10 to either of them.
Originally posted by BattlehammerIn the show I know he fought against a few invisible people but hmm I should go check the comic out and see.
no I reclal it being a few shit foot ninjas.Umm none of the turtles could take panthero or tigra the majority.
They loses at least 8/10 to either of them.
Any of the turtles (well probably not Raph if didn't stay calm) could take Panthero for a good majority. The only reason Tygra could get a majority is because being invisible is a killer but they've been trained to fight blindfolded so it will be a advantage to Tygra but not a complete stomp.
Originally posted by Kento
In the show I know he fought against a few invisible people but hmm I should go check the comic out and see.
Originally posted by Kento
Any of the turtles (well probably not Raph if didn't stay calm) could take Panthero for a good majority.
There no superior in any way. There physically inferior, less experiences and not even superior in skill. There weapons are also inferior. Your not a very big thunder cats reader are you?
Originally posted by Kento
The only reason Tygra could get a majority is because being invisible is a killer but they've been trained to fight blindfolded so it will be a advantage to Tygra but not a complete stomp.
He would not even need it.
Pleases being trained to fight blind folded means nothing. Sure they can fight blind folded, but there still at a huge disadvantage and none of them have fought some one of tigra abillities while being unable to see them.
Not to mention tigra superior to them in pritty much ever single way.
Originally posted by BattlehammerIn Tales of TMNT vol 2 issue 6? Least I think it was issue 6.
I own a lot of the comics and he beat nothing but cannon fodders.No they could not.
There no superior in any way. There physically inferior, less experiences and not even superior in skill. There weapons are also inferior. Your not a very big thunder cats reader are you?
He would not even need it.
Pleases being trained to fight blind folded means nothing. Sure they can fight blind folded, but there still at a huge disadvantage and none of them have fought some one of tigra abillities while being unable to see them.
Not to mention tigra superior to them in pritty much ever single way.
They may have inferior weapons but that's about all that is inferior. Well and strength. But the strength issue isn't that big of a deal. They've fought plenty of things with superior strength and still beat them. Panthero isn't anything new and unlike the others he doesn't have any special skill that is going to save him like being faster or being able to turn invisible. They are also more skilled than him.
What has Tygra done that puts him so far above them in skill? And yea training to fight blindfolded does mean something. It'll help with Tygra being invisible. Not much but it'll help enough that Tygra won't competely stomp them while invisible. I never said it would get them the win against him it just won't be as one-sided as it would be if they had no training whatsoever in fighting blind.
Originally posted by Kento
In Tales of TMNT vol 2 issue 6? Least I think it was issue 6.
Originally posted by Kento
They may have inferior weapons but that's about all that is inferior. Well and strength. But the strength issue isn't that big of a deal. They've fought plenty of things with superior strength and still beat them.
Originally posted by Kento
Panthero isn't anything new and unlike the others he doesn't have any special skill that is going to save him like being faster or being able to turn invisible.
Oh and what makes you think he does not ahve superior combat speed and reflexes? Pleases when have the turtles deflected bullets
Originally posted by Kento
They are also more skilled than him.
Originally posted by Kento
What has Tygra done that puts him so far above them in skill?
Originally posted by Kento
And yea training to fight blindfolded does mean something. It'll help with Tygra being invisible. Not much but it'll help enough that Tygra won't competely stomp them while invisible.
he really does not need to turn invisable to beat them. Hell the only turtle the could keep up with his combat agility is Mikie and even he not in tigra league.
Originally posted by BattlehammerIt's when Leo gets blinded and fights some guy one-on-one.
what about issue 6?Not foes with panthero skill and other abilities so it quite irrelevent that thye have defeated stronger foes sinces thoses foes were not similar to panthero in any way.
No he just way stronger then them and more durable and more intellgent then all of them save maybe don.
Oh and what makes you think he does not ahve superior combat speed and reflexes? Pleases when have the turtles deflected bullets
? No there not. You do realizes he the Martial art's master of the thunder cats correct?
Not saying he more skilled, saying he at least as skilled and more experiences.
Not really he still pritty much stomp the shit out of any of them while invisiable not that he need invisiablity to beat them.
he really does not need to turn invisable to beat them. Hell the only turtle the could keep up with his combat agility is Mikie and even he not in tigra league.
Being smarter doesn't make a better fighter. Donny is smarter than Leo but he's not going to be winning a fight against Leo. And they have fought tougher beings than Panthero who were skilled fighters.
They've dodged bullets while being surrounded before when they were still inexperienced.
Just because he's the martial arts master of the Thundercats suddenly makes him more skilled?
Why do you say Tygra is more experienced? They turtles have plenty of experience against a whole range of different things. From common street thugs, to mythical beasts, to advanced alien races.
Each of the turtles are very agile not just Mikey.
Originally posted by Kento
It's when Leo gets blinded and fights some guy one-on-one.
Originally posted by Kento
Being smarter doesn't make a better fighter. Donny is smarter than Leo but he's not going to be winning a fight against Leo. And they have fought tougher beings than Panthero who were skilled fighters.
Who have they fought who was as skilled as they are, but physically superior and still won?
Originally posted by Kento
They've dodged bullets while being surrounded before when they were still inexperienced.
Originally posted by Kento
Just because he's the martial arts master of the Thundercats suddenly makes him more skilled?
Originally posted by Kento
Why do you say Tygra is more experienced? They turtles have plenty of experience against a whole range of different things. From common street thugs, to mythical beasts, to advanced alien races.
Originally posted by Kento
Each of the turtles are very agile not just Mikey.
Originally posted by BattlehammerSkilled fighters who were physically stronger than them. Triceraton Gladiators really is the only thing I can think of off the top of my head.
yea and the guy was nothing but a fodder.........yes but panthero not simply book smarts to techically smart.
Who have they fought who was as skilled as they are, but physically superior and still won?
And in no way is that any closes to deflecting gun firer.
never siad he was more skilled. Stoping pottuing words in my mouth. You said they were more skilled and I said they were not, becuases there not and have done nothing to suggest they are.
Becuases he been training and fighting avstly longer they they have. Thundercats are extremely old, they live far longer then humans.
I know this I read there comics. Mikie is the most agile and it common knowledge. He the only one who would come closes to matching tigra in agility and even he not as agile.
They've gotten a lot faster, and a lot more skilled since then also.
In other words..you're saying Panthero is more skilled are you not?
Being older and training longer doesn't mean you're the better fighter. Shredder was one of the best in the Foot by the time he was 18. Didn't Leo kill Shredder when he was like 16? Age doesn't make a difference at all.
Outside of the show and new movie when has Mikey ever really shown to be superior in agility to the others?
Originally posted by Kento
Skilled fighters who were physically stronger than them. Triceraton Gladiators really is the only thing I can think of off the top of my head.
And thoses guys were not as skilled as the thundercats nor phsyically superior to the turtles in others ways like the thundercats.
Originally posted by Kento
They've gotten a lot faster, and a lot more skilled since then also.
Originally posted by Kento
In other words..you're saying Panthero is more skilled are you not?
Originally posted by Kento
Being older and training longer doesn't mean you're the better fighter. Shredder was one of the best in the Foot by the time he was 18. Didn't Leo kill Shredder when he was like 16? Age doesn't make a difference at all.
Never said it did. But it sure as hell helps.
Originally posted by Kento
Outside of the show and new movie when has Mikey ever really shown to be superior in agility to the others?
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you mean the comics which is what were going by............when has he not? He been shown bouncing around raph and the others. he been stated in his bio as beeing the msot athletic and then showed it through out the comics by being able to play any sport he wishes at pro level something none of the other turtles show.
but who cares none of them are as agile as tigra and none of them could defeat tigra one on one invisiability or not the majority.
Originally posted by BattlehammerI didn't say they were as skilled. I just said they were skilled fighters and physically stronger.
you mean the ones they got manhandle by...............And thoses guys were not as skilled as the thundercats nor phsyically superior to the turtles in others ways like the thundercats.
pleases they shown nothing that suggest being faster.
no I am saying he as skilled
shredder beat the shit out of the turtles...........leo got lucky.............
Never said it did. But it sure as hell helps.
you mean the comics which is what were going by............when has he not? He been shown bouncing around raph and the others. he been stated in his bio as beeing the msot athletic and then showed it through out the comics by being able to play any sport he wishes at pro level something none of the other turtles show.
but who cares none of them are as agile as tigra and none of them could defeat tigra one on one invisiability or not the majority.
Shredder beat them up..until they decided to fight smart. Then they beat him. Plus they were already wounded from having faced some of his own warriors.
In comics age really has very little factor on the skill of a person.
In most of the comics Mikey barley fights. I've got a good chunk of vol 1 and he hasn't shown any superior agility like he does in the show in that. Nor in what I have of vol 4 or even in the Image version. And I never said they would take Tygra for a majority..just that Tygra wouldn't stomp them.
Originally posted by Kento
I didn't say they were as skilled. I just said they were skilled fighters and physically stronger.
Originally posted by Kento
Shredder beat them up..until they decided to fight smart. Then they beat him. Plus they were already wounded from having faced some of his own warriors.
Originally posted by Kento
In comics age really has very little factor on the skill of a person.
Originally posted by Kento
In most of the comics Mikey barley fights. I've got a good chunk of vol 1 and he hasn't shown any superior agility like he does in the show in that.
Originally posted by Kento
Nor in what I have of vol 4 or even in the Image version. And I never said they would take Tygra for a majority..just that Tygra wouldn't stomp them.
.........then why are we argueing?
Tigra would stomp them if invisiable, but with out it. They put up a fight, but he beat any of them 8/10
Originally posted by BattlehammerThe very first issue. When they fight Shredder for the first time and they knock him off the building and he blows up. They fight smart to beat him but they also fight him after having a large battle with the best members of his foot clan and are wounded. Why would I refer to the movies, the tv shows, Image comics, or Archie comics? Vol 1, 2, and 4 is really the only canon stuff. Well and Tales of TMNT vol 1 and 2.
which is irrelevent sinces panthero not only stronger, but just as skilled.what are you talking about? you gotta be more clear. There like 5 comic series, four tv shows, movies ect.
yes it does, if you were training and fighting all thoses years. Hell character like Logan, stick, Ogun ect all prove experiences matters.
of what run and series? You know were a lot of runs right? There more then one volume one. Hell the orginal run Mikie does not even have a name for most all of it.
.........then why are we argueing?
Tigra would stomp them if invisiable, but with out it. They put up a fight, but he beat any of them 8/10
And then there are people like Batman who are like in their late twenties who are more skilled than older people who have trained longer and hard.
Vol 1. The original series. That stops after the City at War arc. I don't have any issues from volume 2 which comes after it except for like the first. Image is volume 3, and the newest is volume 4.
We're argueing over...Panthero now for the most part. I think they could get a majority over him. Oh and that I think Tygra wouldn't stomp them with his invisibility. Win a majority yes but it wouldn't be completely one-sided fight.
Originally posted by KentoAnd then there are people like Batman who are like in their late twenties who are more skilled than older people who have trained longer and hard.
We're argueing over...Panthero now for the most part. I think they could get a majority over him. Oh and that I think Tygra wouldn't stomp them with his invisibility. Win a majority yes but it wouldn't be completely one-sided fight.
.............batman in his late 40's.............and has been training sicnes he was 8............and he was trained by a man who 500 years old............
how do they beat panthero? He just as skilled, he stronger, he has faster reflexes, he simply better and he has superior weapons.
how would tigra not stomp them while invisable?