NJO Luke vs Sideous, Nihilus, Bane, and Yoda.

Originally posted by Faunus
How is he even going to kill Nihilus? That's a bold and unsupported statement at best, considering the guy's telekinesis was enough to rip a starship out of a gravity well. Not to mention that he fact that he eats the life energy of planets for lunch...

do you know hoe hard he has to concentrate and how much time he needs to do all that stuff?

btw this fight is like pitting frieza against the ginyu force. sure the team has powerful members but NONE of them can take him out alone. and given how much more powerful he is, not even team work may save them.

but lets be more technichal here.

1) yoda needs a lot of room for his ataru, and with three other partners he may not be able to whip out his best moves.
2) nilius needs to concentrate, which takes time, time in which he can be beheaded.
3) siddious' juyo faces the same difficulty as his EQUALLY poweful nemisis yoda.
4) Bane is IMO the biggest threat only because of the orbalisk

6) luke moves so fast as to be a blurr. something i havent seen any of the other guys do

they all move so fast as to be a blur... jedi just do. anytime they talk about jedi moving in combat, or sith, its always a blur, or "eye can't follow" or "unbelievable speed" its just what they do.... i don't think speed is really something we can debate on here.

Luke of course, loses, except, MOC makes a good point, chances are, the four of them would carve each other up getting to luke. If luke stands in a hallway (watch 300)? and they have to come at him one at a time, he's going to win. B/C NONE of them are powerful enough to hurt luke in the force. Their force attacks would just fail. I'll go so far to say that he would not even have to raise his hands, or his lightsaber, or anything, i don't think one of them have the power to hurt luke through the force, and if he is standing in a hallway, he schools them one at a time.

If its in an arena, he loses eventually, but i bet he takes a couple with him.
(not necassarily either, its possible my analysis of his power to resist their force attacks is incorrect, and if that's the case, then 2 attack him constantly through the force so he can't defend himself with a saber, and then he is cut down pretty quickly)

ridiculous thread by the way. (something tells me u just wanted to see luke lose one.... )
that's easy, just put him against Boba, the "greatest threat to the jedi"
lol...

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
So who wins? the overrated NJO luke, or the team?

mmm... Maaaybeee

No, it is.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
mmm... Maaaybeee

It is. And it isn't amusing. Most of us tend to try to pit combatants against those whom they stand a considerable chance of defeating, not create hypothetical, lopsided matches. For all of his power, Skywalker has no chance of success. Essentially, you've composed a waste of time and space for this forum.

IMO out of all these combatants if were to be faced on a 1v1 scheme, i see sidious as the most formidable foe and has a considerable chance to win. No easy fight though for either contestant.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
do you know hoe hard he has to concentrate and how much time he needs to do all that stuff?

Originally posted by Ivalice
IMO out of all these combatants if were to be faced on a 1v1 scheme, i see sidious as the most formidable foe and has a considerable chance to win. No easy fight though for either contestant.

What I find most disturbing is the rather inaccurate delusion that Skywalker circa New Jedi Order or Palpatine circa Dark Empire are completely peerless; this is not the case. It can be safely concluded that both of them are the most powerful and most proficient Force users of their respective orders, but there are still a select few individuals who would represent a formidable threat. The problem is moreso aggravating for Palpatine, as it has been established in canon by the New Essential Chronology and the Complete Visual Dictionary that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith Lord even during the prequel trilogy -- and we see a considerable growth in power from the prequel trilogy to the original trilogy to Dark Empire. Whereas, in Skywalker's case, we have seen foes challenge him on equal footing. Darth Caedus in Inferno, Supreme Overlord Shimrra in the Unifying Force, and Lord Nyax in Rebel Dream.

Originally posted by Gideon
What I find most disturbing is the rather inaccurate delusion that Skywalker circa New Jedi Order or Palpatine circa Dark Empire are completely peerless; this is not the case. It can be safely concluded that both of them are the most powerful and most proficient Force users of their respective orders, but there are still a select few individuals who would represent a formidable threat. The problem is moreso aggravating for Palpatine, as it has been established in canon by the New Essential Chronology and the Complete Visual Dictionary that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith Lord even during the prequel trilogy -- and we see a considerable growth in power from the prequel trilogy to the original trilogy to Dark Empire. Whereas, in Skywalker's case, we have seen foes challenge him on equal footing. Darth Caedus in Inferno, Supreme Overlord Shimrra in the Unifying Force, and Lord Nyax in Rebel Dream.

lol he wasnt even trying to kill caedus dude. he was going soft on him. if luke wanted to he couldve murdered jacen quickly

Originally posted by Man of Christ
do you know hoe hard he has to concentrate and how much time he needs to do all that stuff?

btw this fight is like pitting frieza against the ginyu force. sure the team has powerful members but NONE of them can take him out alone. and given how much more powerful he is, not even team work may save them.

but lets be more technichal here.

1) yoda needs a lot of room for his ataru, and with three other partners he may not be able to whip out his best moves.

Not necessarily. Yoda is extremely small, something that allows him to get over the natural disadvantages of Ataru- namely the poor defense and the needing of space- thus making him the strongest master of Ataru around. Note his level of defense when he fought Sidious; yeah, it's that good.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
2) nilius needs to concentrate, which takes time, time in which he can be beheaded.

Imagine the following scenario- Sidious attacks Luke from his front, Yoda attacks Luke from his back. Both (maybe Yoda isn't) are faster than Luke, although he can probably overpower them in saberlocks and such. Even without the concentration, they'll have an excellent chance of beating Luke alone- I mean, even Yoda and Sidious one on one against Luke in pure sabers have a good chance against him. But together? Uh-uh. It will give Nihilus all the time he needs.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
3) siddious' juyo faces the same difficulty as his EQUALLY poweful nemisis yoda.

Sidious used his exemplary Juyo mastery against Yoda in the Senate; he didn't need ANY space to launch extremely fast and vicious attacks. Of course, he won't be able to pull off his good acrobatics, but if he has good teamwork with Yoda- providing they aren't enemies here, both are extremely smart and can probably pull it off- they can kill Luke very, VERY fast in saber-range.

Oh, and btw, if it's DE Sidious, he's stronger than Yoda. ROTS Sidious is Yoda's equal.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
4) Bane is IMO the biggest threat only because of the orbalisk

False. Bane, along with Nihilus, is weaker than Sidious and Yoda; his orbalisks make him vulnerable to electric judgement, and his saber skills are good, but probably inferior to Luke's. Bane will most likely be, along with Nihilus, force-support.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
6) luke moves so fast as to be a blurr. something i havent seen any of the other guys do

Sidious moves faster than the eye can see. Yoda is extremely fast. Hell yeah they're as fast as he is... maybe even more.

But this thread is pointless. We all know Luke will get completely crushed... of course it's fun to say it, but NJO Luke vs. Sidious, or Luke vs. Yoda and Bane... that's far more interesting. Lol.

And, although Sidious is the strongest Sith Lord ever... well, it's kinda wierd. Caedus put a good fight against Luke. If ROTS Sidious > Caedus, he can logically be Luke's equal. If that's the case, DE Sidious >>> Luke. Which makes no sense xD.

And, by the way, did Sidious get a noticeable power up between ROTS and ROTJ? Maybe force-wise, but saber-wise, I don't think there's any reason why he would become any better.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
lol he wasnt even trying to kill caedus dude. he was going soft on him. if luke wanted to he couldve murdered jacen quickly

There must be two editions of that book floating about. My copy is the one where Luke sneaks up on Caedus and attempts to butcher him in a lightsaber fight.

What about yours?

Originally posted by Gideon
There must be two editions of that book floating about. My copy is the one where Luke sneaks up on Caedus and attempts to butcher him in a lightsaber fight.

What about yours?

Originally posted by skywalker833
same. still, Luke can beat caedus any day.

That's true, but Caedus managed to prove himself to be a worthy adversary in their lightsaber duel.

Agreed.

I cannot believe this thread...

Originally posted by Gideon
It is. And it isn't amusing. Most of us tend to try to pit combatants against those whom they stand a considerable chance of defeating, not create hypothetical, lopsided matches. For all of his power, Skywalker has no chance of success. Essentially, you've composed a waste of time and space for this forum.

hmm. call my thread a waste of time and a spite thread?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=480401&highlight=ode+to+janus

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=480402&highlight=ode+to+faunus

I wouldnt know if he had a chance or not, i thought he was an udder god. So which 2 combatants would he be well matched against?

i think any two of them would be a fair fight. there was a yoda and sidious versus luke, and i think many people were picking luke.

yes, udder god... as in "moo"

anybody disagree with my assessement of the fight if placed in a hallway with no combatants behind him though?