Maul is the weak link here...
The thing is that Mace can beat either one of his opponents pretty easily. So my only scenario in Obi-Wan/Vaders defense is this.
Obi-Wan uses every ounce of his soresu skills to hold Mace back for as long as he can while Vader utterly destroys Maul with the force. Then Vader jumps in at the last second to help take out Mace.
That's pretty iffy though, Vader can definitely beat Maul if he uses his force abilities instead of trying to use his lightsaber, but I don't know if Obi-Wan can hold Mace back that long.
Eh, I say Mace/Maul take the majority.
lets not forget OT Vader is 80% of Sidious in Power. If you think about it 80% of the guy who blinded and took down the whole jedi order. 80% of the Most Powerful Sith Lord in History.. thats Really Powerful!
so Mace wnt take Vader down without great difficulty, unless you think Mace is 90%-100% of Sidious.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
uh oh... u mean this comes down to Obi-Wan vs. Maul again... Nooooooooooo! LOL
It does..sort of. It really depends who fights who(im talking about saber combat here). Should Maul fight Obiwan then the fight could very well be drawn out a fair amount of time due to obiwan's soresu. I can see Mace killing Anakin faster than he disarmed ROTS Sidious then coming to help Maul and finish Kenobi. If Maul fights Anakin then he will die faster imo than Mace could kill obiwan in saber combat. Then Mace would have his hands full in saber combat and might be able to kill one of them but i think he could be too tired to finish the other.
Well... to be honest, I think that depending on the matchup, it could go either way. Anyways, just to clarify before I go on; Maul is weaker than both Obi-Wan and Anakin, while Mace is stronger than either of them.
If the matchup is Obi-Wan vs. Mace and Anakin vs. Maul, I'm inclinded to say that Obi/Anakin should take a win. Obi-Wan, being a master of the form best at keeping the user alive and also being possibly the most cunning Jedi in the Order, should be able to fend off Mace for a certain while- Mace's Vaapad won't perform to its full extent, because it requires the opponent to be a darksider in order to unleash its full potential. However, Anakin vs. Maul should be faster; Anakin will be able to defeat Maul while Obi-Wan is probably still fending off Mace. Anakin and Obi-Wan doubleteam Mace, and beat him.
Also note that Sidious lost to Mace under circumstance- namely the broken window and Mace's shatterpoint ability. A saberfight between them, on even ground, could definetly go either way.
Meanwhile, Obi-Wan vs. Maul and Anakin vs. Mace will be a win for Mace/Maul. While Obi-Wan should be able to defeat Maul with some degree of difficulty, Mace should be capable of overwhelming Anakin due to his Vaapad being perfect against an opponent like enraged Anakin. Mace beats him while Obi-Wan simultaneously beats Maul; Obi-Wan vs. Mace, and Mace wins.
If it's suited Vader, Mace and Maul win in every possible matchup.
I think people are really underrating OT suited Vader here, who Lucas himself has said is approx 80% of Sidious in power.
now Vaders no slouch in the lightsaber department.. if im correct hes incorporated all 7 forms into his lightsaber technique. (note he didnt use that advanced a style against Luke though).
and being 80% of Sidious whats to stop him dominating Mace with the Force?? I personally think Vaders the strong link here, Force wise, and Mace saber wise. So the fight depends on those 2..
Originally posted by Sidi-BoyA broken window has what to do with Mace kicking Palpatine in the face and knocking him on his ass? And Mace's shatterpoint isn't "circumstance"; it's an innate ability that is always a factor, and as much a part of his combat prowess as his arms.
Also note that Sidious lost to Mace under circumstance- namely the broken window and Mace's shatterpoint ability.
If it's suited Vader, Mace and Maul win in every possible matchup.Um... Vader Force-pwns Maul into a pulp with impunity, then helps Kenobi kill Mace.
Originally posted by Faunus \]
A broken window has what to do with Mace kicking Palpatine in the face and knocking him on his ass? And Mace's shatterpoint isn't "circumstance"; it's an innate ability that is always a factor, and as much a part of his combat prowess as his arms.
Of course, the window was a circumstance due to the simple fact that if it wasn't broken, the lightsaber wouldn't have fell out of Sidious' grasp with no hopes of being retrieved; so logically, it was very possible that if the lightsaber was thrown away in an enclosed space, Sidious could have retrieved it using a mixture of telekinesis and his speed.
However, since Obi-Wan is a lightsider, Vaapad wouldn't be nearly as effective against him as it was against Sidious; it'd merely be a lightsaber form. Mace > Obi-Wan; but Obi-Wan is relatively close to him due to his defensive capability and tactical mastery.
Originally posted by Faunus \]
Um... Vader Force-pwns Maul into a pulp with impunity, then helps Kenobi kill Mace.
But then again, Maul would be capable of defeating Vader in sabers, or at least definetly matching him; he was very close to defeating Vader in their duel, you know, and a resurrected Maul was, potentially, weaker than his original self.
Originally posted by Sidi-BoyYou seem to forget that vader has yet to unleash a force attack that would have crushed maul in that duel.But then again, Maul would be capable of defeating Vader in sabers, or at least definetly matching him; he was very close to defeating Vader in their duel, you know, and a resurrected Maul was, potentially, weaker than his original self.
The people who are saying Vader's 80% of Sidious seem to be forgetting Mace beat the crap out of that 100%. Mace wouldn't take very long defeating Vader, if that's the case, while Kenobi would take much longer with his opponent.
If it's Maul against Vader and Mace against Kenobi, the other pair wins.
It ultimately depends on who takes on who.
Originally posted by Sidi-Boy
Well... to be honest, I think that depending on the matchup, it could go either way. Anyways, just to clarify before I go on; Maul is weaker than both Obi-Wan and Anakin, while Mace is stronger than either of them.If the matchup is Obi-Wan vs. Mace and Anakin vs. Maul, I'm inclinded to say that Obi/Anakin should take a win. Obi-Wan, being a master of the form best at keeping the user alive and also being possibly the most cunning Jedi in the Order, should be able to fend off Mace for a certain while- Mace's Vaapad won't perform to its full extent, because it requires the opponent to be a darksider in order to unleash its full potential. However, Anakin vs. Maul should be faster; Anakin will be able to defeat Maul while Obi-Wan is probably still fending off Mace. Anakin and Obi-Wan doubleteam Mace, and beat him.
Also note that Sidious lost to Mace under circumstance- namely the broken window and Mace's shatterpoint ability. A saberfight between them, on even ground, could definetly go either way.
Meanwhile, Obi-Wan vs. Maul and Anakin vs. Mace will be a win for Mace/Maul. While Obi-Wan should be able to defeat Maul with some degree of difficulty, Mace should be capable of overwhelming Anakin due to his Vaapad being perfect against an opponent like enraged Anakin. Mace beats him while Obi-Wan simultaneously beats Maul; Obi-Wan vs. Mace, and Mace wins.
If it's suited Vader, Mace and Maul win in every possible matchup.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
I completely agree.
And I mean agree with every word of it.